.....the Valor is just too far out of my budget.
I would go with a DW Vigil commander... or a A2 commander or used Valor why because they are a lot better then both mentioned for not much more money.
Fitting the quality of the parts used are of better quality period.. If you like loose guns that you.. Me I will take the gun that IMO is build correctly. Colt builds them that way so they require zero fitting it is a cost savings. When Brett was running the Custom shop he requested oversized frames for the Custom shop builds and was rejected because of cost.. Say what you want believe what you want.. Colt makes a not so great gun overall great base but thats as far as it goes.. You may think that 1/8 gap in your cast GS is equal in quality or a mushy thumb safety is except-able and just as good to me it is not and 95% of Colts will come this way.. Cosmetic issues like the slide overhanging the frame another 95% of Colts issue.. Like I said they make a great base gun thats as far as it goes if you think they are equal IMO you are Wrong end of story.. If you can come up with a reason a Colt is superior Im all ears cause there is nothing on their production line guns that is superior in any way to what DW puts out for the small amount more money..
These very issues combined with Colt's lack of customer service many years ago spurred me on to try other brands and builders . I thank them for that .Fitting the quality of the parts used are of better quality period.. If you like loose guns that you.. Me I will take the gun that IMO is build correctly. Colt builds them that way so they require zero fitting it is a cost savings. When Brett was running the Custom shop he requested oversized frames for the Custom shop builds and was rejected because of cost.. Say what you want believe what you want.. Colt makes a not so great gun overall great base but thats as far as it goes.. You may think that 1/8 gap in your cast GS is equal in quality or a mushy thumb safety is except-able and just as good to me it is not and 95% of Colts will come this way.. Cosmetic issues like the slide overhanging the frame another 95% of Colts issue.. Like I said they make a great base gun thats as far as it goes if you think they are equal IMO you are Wrong end of story.. If you can come up with a reason a Colt is superior Im all ears cause there is nothing on their production line guns that is superior in any way to what DW puts out for the small amount more money..
^^^^^ this... great response BILL O'R .TRex29:
My 2 cents say that both manufacturers turn out individual weapons that range from excellent to "Don't Buy". I recommend you examine each individual candidate for purchase, as thoroughly as the seller will allow, before purchasing. If possible, shoot it, first. Or, as Badabing11 recommended, shoot representative samples. But know that the representative samples may exhibit different qualities than another of identical make and model. Rentals, in particular, have often been shot a lot and are thus "broken in", or in worst cases, abused. This can cause them to handle or feel or shoot differently than a NIB gun.
I agree. I have one reasonably new Colt in .38 Super and I enjoy it, largely for the caliber. But, the build quality just doesn't approach the quality of my Dan Wessons. I bought a good CBOB as my first DW and many rounds later it is still tight and completely reliable. I've added a few since then and I'm keeping them all. I'm not anti-MIM, but Colt uses it extensively. DW uses better components and still does some hand fitting. That's just a memory for Colt.Fitting the quality of the parts used are of better quality period.. If you like loose guns that you.. Me I will take the gun that IMO is build correctly. Colt builds them that way so they require zero fitting it is a cost savings. When Brett was running the Custom shop he requested oversized frames for the Custom shop builds and was rejected because of cost.. Say what you want believe what you want.. Colt makes a not so great gun overall great base but thats as far as it goes.. You may think that 1/8 gap in your cast GS is equal in quality or a mushy thumb safety is except-able and just as good to me it is not and 95% of Colts will come this way.. Cosmetic issues like the slide overhanging the frame another 95% of Colts issue.. Like I said they make a great base gun thats as far as it goes if you think they are equal IMO you are Wrong end of story.. If you can come up with a reason a Colt is superior Im all ears cause there is nothing on their production line guns that is superior in any way to what DW puts out for the small amount more money..