Magpul to flood Colorado with PMAGS before they leave

MCA · Feb 27, 2013

Awesome...good for Magpul and great for the people in CO. that can get them before the ban. I like how Magpul is kind of saying "F*%k You too" to the legislature of Colorado.

Too bad they don't relocate here to SC!

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/0 ... magazines/

John Canuck · Feb 27, 2013

I like this. It's the equivalent if giving the middle finger to the government... Something I'm a big fan of.

John Canuck · Feb 28, 2013

They were doing so good, then they threw it all away. Thanks for selling to the elites in banned states. I guess I'll be buying from someone else after all.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/0 ... ore-205717

MCA · Feb 28, 2013

Damn. That is really a let down. Not just with this company but any company that says they stand behind the 2A but end up being "pro" 2A subjectively as to not hurt their profit margin.

11B3XCIB · Mar 1, 2013

They're leaving the state because civilians won't be able to buy their products...yet they are refusing to stop selling to agencies in similar states. :shock:

I registered with my .mil address just to see what the site shows. I'm not a fan of the decision to keep selling to LEOs in banned states, but honestly, I don't think they'll lose enough business to really get hurt. Magpul could make a polymer turd and people would buy it. I just can't stand the idea of selling to police who are exempt from the laws that they will enforce on civilians, and they WILL enforce it. After the law in NY goes into effect in April, we'll see.

Tigerstripe · Mar 1, 2013

no polymer turds for me please. i dont own a p mag.

i say this is what every gun manufacturer should have been doing. RAMP IT UP. sell more, cheap, or not inflated, as many as they can before the ban.

we shouldnt have to be dependant on some political whim with the ammo and gun and parts prices.

im not braggin but i had done some prepps. because it was the simple fact i dont have the money to pay the gouge, but the only thing ive bought is 2 lowers for $99 each, one lower parts kit for $100 because the guy at the gun show gave it to me and said sent him a check, and 2 lower parts kits i found at PSA when they said they didnt have any for $65 each. i traded reloads for some gi mags but that was cheap, thanks to you bud. and another friend sold me a 762x39 bbl but i dont have to pay for it till the tax check comes. funny thing is i had lowers and a coulpe of guns i could have gouged someone with but i felt like i would rather keep them.

without my knowledge my wife spent about $75 on 2 boxes of high quality 308 and one box of 243. i sure didnt scold her.

i guess i was fairly prepared before and there wasnt anything i could do anyway. if prices go down again im going to start stocking again to the best of my ability. if they dont ill have to pick and choose what i can get. anybody know where i can get a cheap 762x39 bolt? ill pay you when the IRS pays us. another 7-10 days. Hahahaha

i have to tell you i know how blessed i am. my wife puts up with me and all my stuff, she likes guns too. at the time i was 3/4 prepared to buy my machine gun it came along, she was with me and the rest of the funds fell in our laps almost. it was magic and its really fun to share it. i hope you all can be as blessed or more than i.

11B3XCIB · Mar 1, 2013

Just released today by MagPul:

3/1/13 Regarding LEO Sales.

Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession.

The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing 2nd amendment rights to another citizen in the same state.

With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.

Richard Fitzpatrick- President/CEO -Founder
Magpul Industries Corp

They're on the BANdwagon.

Tigerstripe · Mar 2, 2013

till the cop simply says ,na these are for plinking with my son. drive through loophole.

John Canuck · Mar 2, 2013

I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials.

He's talking out of his a$$ here. The government should be required to live under the same rules it forces the subjects to live under. That's the whole point that apparently he misses.

Alternately, we could operate as it's supposed to work, and they could stop imposing unconstitutional laws on the people, then the police can carry rocket launchers and nuclear bombs if they want to.

carsontech · Mar 2, 2013

The people at Magpul are just a bunch of bootlickers. Law Enforcement enforces these stupid laws, and they want to supply them with the tools to do so. What a bunch of chickenhawk statists.

Law enforcement, military, and all other federal, state, and local govenment entities... they're all just politicians' pawns. I don't trust any of them. The only thing I trust them to do is follow orders from their masters.

And all of these businesses are helping these goons oppress us. F all these bootlicking cop and military worshipers.

so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.

The oath to the Constitution is a joke because the government gets to interpret it. People who swear an oath to the Constitution swear to uphold what the government says it means.

"But, but, but if we just go back to the founders intent on what the constitution means, then we will be free" you say?

If you read the Federalist and Antifederalist Papers, you'll see the founders didn't give a crap about us. They just wanted control of everything, which the Constitution gave them.

11B3XCIB · Mar 2, 2013

carsontech said:
Law enforcement, military, and all other federal, state, and local govenment entities... they're all just politicians' pawns. I don't trust any of them. The only thing I trust them to do is follow orders from their masters.

Glad to see you have such a high opinion of what I dedicated the last decade of my life, and what I gave my youth to. I'd give the shirt off my back to help someone out, and you don't "trust" me?

Wow....just...wow. :roll:

What can someone do to earn your almighty approval, then?

carsontech · Mar 2, 2013

Don't work for someone that takes the fruits of my labor without my consent.

I have no problem with defense and security forces, as long as they are privatized. If I need protection from foreign or domestic people or entities I'll do it myself. If I can't do that myself I'll hire someone, voluntarily.

People who join and work for the government are just enabling the government. The more who join the government's side, by working for them or using their "system", give the idea to the politicians that people consent to their illegitimate power.

I'm no better than anyone else who works for a government entity, as I work for a quasi-government entity myself. The only difference is, the government didn't give me a gun and the "authority" to trample other's rights, foreign or domestic.

11B3XCIB · Mar 2, 2013

carsontech said:
Don't work for someone that takes the fruits of my labor without my consent.

I have no problem with defense and security forces, as long as they are privatized. If I need protection from foreign or domestic people or entities I'll do it myself. If I can't do that myself I'll hire someone, voluntarily.

People who join and work for the government are just enabling the government. The more who join the government's side, by working for them or using their "system", give the idea to the politicians that people consent to their illegitimate power.

I'm no better than anyone else who works for a government entity, as I work for a quasi-government entity myself. The only difference is, the government didn't give me a gun and the "authority" to trample other's rights, foreign or domestic.

From my friends who fought bled, and died for your right to say that: Go ******* yourself.

Who do you think you are? So much better than people that sacrifice so much for others? Well, newsflash. You're not. Not even close. With a statement like that from you, clearly you have no idea what it truly means to serve. It's not about politics or agendas. It's about who's on your left and right. That's it.

Midnight Raver · Mar 2, 2013

Gentlemen, please rest your sphincters- no need to be insulting each other! Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but let's try to avoid flame wars here- OK?

11B3XCIB · Mar 2, 2013

Midnight Raver said:
Gentlemen, please rest your sphincters- no need to be insulting each other! Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but let's try to avoid flame wars here- OK?

Point taken. Although it is in my nature to defend myself when someone says the time spent in my chosen profession was spent trampling peoples' rights, which is utter garbage. He might as well have spit on my in the airport and called me a baby killer.

TheSwampFox · Mar 2, 2013

My father did 22 years in the Army, my college roommate was a Marine, one of my best friends was in the Air Force, my uncle was a cop. Every single one of them SERVED their fellow men. I never heard one of them utter any allegiance to a politician. If a gun grab comes I believe we would see mass defections in both law enforcement and the military.

Back to regular scheduled programming...

If CO enacts a new law limiting mag capacity and makes mere possession a crime like NY magpul only fattened their pockets while screwing every person they sell a mag to during this rush.

I also believe whats good for the goose is good for the gander. If private citizens cant have it then neither can the police. They are citizens as well.

armaborealis · Mar 3, 2013

CarsonTech,

To be fair to Magpul, they are cutting off sales to LEO/MIL in ban states. I am reserving judgement until I see what their final policy is. For example, SilencerCo will sell suppressors to LEO in states where citizens cannot possess them... but only if the Chief Law Enforcement Officer publishes an official statement on official letterhead explaining that silencers are beneficial and should be legal for all citizens, which can then be used in lobbying efforts against that state's legislature.

I would be ok with a similar corporate policy from Magpul, requiring individual officers or their Chief to explain the usefulness of standard capacity magazines, denounce the mag ban, and publicly state that they will not enforce it--in a public statement to be used for advocacy purposes.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with you. I do NOT supporting arming New York Cops (or cops in any ban state) with anything that any other civilian cannot own. Six shooters and riot guns worked just fine for the NYPD for many years, and if that is all the citizens need, then that is all the civilian police force needs. I personally will be rewarding companies like LaRue, Spikes, Wilson, and many others that are not selling to LEO in ban states. After all -- when Armalite sends a rifle to the NYSP, that rifle may be used in a SWAT raid over an undocumented rifle.

I disagree with "mass defections" being a problem. If you show up to the range, right now, today, with an "undocumented" (no NFA tax stamp) short barrel machine gun and do a few mag dumps, do you think a cop will "look the other way?" Why do you think it will be any different with undocumented assault weapons in New York or California or any other jurisdictions? Nathan Haddad -- a US Army disabled veteran who just won an award from Ft Drum for volunteerism -- is facing multiple felony counts for possession of standard capacity magazines in New York. How many police officers and Coast Guardsman and other uniformed enforcement officials resigned when guns were confiscated from law abiding citizens during Katrina?

A few LEOs and some MIL will refuse to follow orders and resign on principle. More will refuse to enforce by looking the other way. Many will muddle along and hope to avoid the situation and ultimately give in to peer or command pressure, because they have families to feed, mortgages to pay, and like their pension plans. Finally, some number will gleefully enforce the law. MANY military people and cops are NOT gun people. They do not like guns and do not train with them and do not carry them outside work. A significant number of military members and LEOs are "only ones," who feel that "only they" are well trained/responsible enough to possess them.

Given that is the situation we face, I think it is folly to support carve outs for LEOs or other special groups in ban states. They can use whatever is good enough for the rest of the civilian population. If the ban affects them, then they may be more inclined to lobby for changes rather than meekly lining up while saying, "well, I got mine..." behind the brass who shill for more gun control.

11B3XCIB · Mar 3, 2013

armaborealis said:
A significant number of military members and LEOs are "only ones," who feel that "only they" are well trained/responsible enough to possess them.

I can't speak for law enforcement, but the people I came in contact with over the past 10 years in the military most certainly didn't feel this way.

LiveFreeorDie · Mar 3, 2013

I retired (LEO) six years ago and would like to believe that I would have stalled if given orders to confiscate weapons or pursue enforcement action against otherwise law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, I think armaborealis might be right: they will all have to face the personal decision about what to do---resign in protest and forfeit their ability to feed their families, pay their mortagage, and dream of retirement one day. I fear most would not be able to afford to take that stand in the face of those consequences. Most probably won't like it but will begrudgingly follow orders. Now, the only situation where confiscation, or even the precursory "registration" will fail is if ALL take a stand at once and say "We will not do it!".

Food for thought: The excuse for arming police to the teeth could be exemplified by the North Hollywood shootout in 1997. Two bank robbers outgunned the police and they had to raid a gun shop in the middle of their response to equal the playing field. Personally, I don't have a problem with LEO having equal, or superior firepower to the criminals. But, therein lies the contradiction: weapons bans will only disarm the law-abiding, not the criminals. Hence the absurdity of the whole mess we are in today. Do not the politicians see this?

(Don't answer--that was a rhetorical question)

Tigerstripe · Mar 3, 2013

11B SIR, i truly thank you for your service. i too was "sort of relieved of duty,job", because of stupid politics in a Gov job that i would not swallow. i will get part of my retirement in a few years. not much. but i dont have metal in my body because of it so i come out a little ahead.

i "feel" that i know the yearning as when the one of the 2 sons was sent to a second tour. i baddly wanted to go do something there. i asked them to try and get me there. ill carry a camera ,till i can get a rifle. alass i know they dont want me for a lot of reasonable objections, training and age is enough.

i call him a lot. he just signed " under fire" for another 6 years. he was just put up for a Service Bronze Star, which he may not get because of rank, but still. i bought him an AR-10 after his first return. he was going to buy an AR-15 because of whats going on, lost that when the lay away money was un layad away, but he will have an AR-15 when he gets home. all i need is an upper now.

im just ranting but you should know if you were to have to have something i can help with, just ask.