DISGUSTED!

PANZER22 · Jun 22, 2015

When the Confederate flag comes down the SC state flag should come down also.....

Any politician agreeing to this flag removal will never get a vote from me.

Firearms will be next!

Dan

Tigerstripe · Jun 22, 2015

im with ya.

fire nikki and lindsey.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 22, 2015

Honor the flag by doing what your forefathers did with it.

PANZER22 · Jun 23, 2015

Avtomat Acolyte........Many of my forefathers fought and died for the Confederacy with the honor of battle...

Nothing we do now will ever equal their sacrifice....Any action we would attempt would be labeled "racist" and quickly squashed as the rantings of mad men!

I am termilly ill and won't be around much longer so all I can offer is my blessing.

Dan

fordnut · Jun 24, 2015

The problem is that todays Political Leadership is soooo left sided they only look at the slave thing was what the whole war was over....

The original problem was that Big Government was trying to tell the Citizens how to live every aspect of their lives....Sounds kind of like what is going on now....

Steve

bigfutz · Jun 24, 2015

What is truly disgusting is the way that the media and race-baiters (from outside SC) so quickly turned this tragedy into a political issue. They are giving this sicko exactly what he wanted.

Geezer · Jun 24, 2015

Sadly, the flag in Columbia will most likely come down. But, I'll bet that you will see more Confederate flags than ever before.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 24, 2015

City of Charleston did an emergency, temporary ban on Civil Rights and forbids the First Amendment for the next 60 days.

That, and the removal of Confederate flags, means that no black person will get murdered in South Carolina ever again.

Thank God. Finally some common sense action from government!

beerman · Jun 25, 2015

First of all, not trying to start an argument, just sharing my view as someone that grew up in Wisconsin, and has only lived down here for a few years. Nor do I want to start a North vs. South thing.

It's interesting to listen to both sides of the debate on whether the confederate flag should be removed. I can understand both arguments, though I'm sure it's easier for someone who isn't emotionally connected to it. I don't really have an opinion either way, if it should stay or go. The media has definitely turned this into a national race war, because that gets more ratings than a mentally ill kid killing nine people in a historic church.

Whether it is taken down or not will probably not effect my life at all, so I don't feel compelled to really express an opinion one way or the other. I will say that I am impressed with the lack of violence and protests. I applaud the people of Charleston for keeping the peace, even when people from out of state try to incite violence.

And lastly, history classes in school must be taught differently depending on where you go to school. From friends I've talked to down here, it sounds like the issue of states rights weighed much more heavily into reasons for the Civil War in the South than it did in the history classes I took in middle school and high school up North.

Anyway, hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers. Just some observations from someone that didn't grow up here.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 25, 2015

Even a casual glance at the war shows that slavery had nothing to do with it.

Slavery still existed in the USA (The North) during and AFTER the Civil War. Not to mention that the Emancipation Proclamation ONLY freed slaves in the Confederacy, not the USA.

beerman · Jun 25, 2015

Slavery clearly was a central issue of the civil war. Not the only issue of course, but it certainly was one of the main issues.

And no, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery for all slaves in the US, but the thirteenth amendment did at the end of 1865, just 7 months after the end of the war.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 25, 2015

beerman said:
Slavery clearly was a central issue of the civil war. Not the only issue of course, but it certainly was one of the main issues.

And no, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery for all slaves in the US, but the thirteenth amendment did at the end of 1865, just 7 months after the end of the war.

So the South seceded from the USA because they wanted to keep slavery... Even though slavery wasn't illegal.

Then the North invades and conquers the South to end slavery... But only in the South... And waits half a year before deciding to actually ban slavery for itself?

And the Fugitive Slave Act, repealed the year prior to the end of the four year Civil War, was actively enforced for three years, whereas runaway slaves in the North were returned to the South, but was done ironically, since the war was about slavery, apparently.

:ugeek:

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 25, 2015

beerman said:
Slavery clearly was a central issue of the civil war. Not the only issue of course, but it certainly was one of the main issues.

And no, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't end slavery for all slaves in the US, but the thirteenth amendment did at the end of 1865, just 7 months after the end of the war.

So the South seceded from the USA because they wanted to keep slavery... Even though slavery wasn't illegal.

Then the North invades and conquers the South to end slavery... But only in the South... And waits half a year before deciding to actually ban slavery for itself?

And the Fugitive Slave Act, repealed the year prior to the end of the four year Civil War, was actively enforced for three years, whereas runaway slaves in the North were returned to the South, but was done ironically, since the war was about slavery, apparently.

:ugeek:

beerman · Jun 25, 2015

I don't feel like teaching a grown man history, especially when he's already convinced himself he's correct, but yes, the South seceded from the Union because the Republicans (who wanted to end slavery) won the election (Lincoln) without getting any electoral votes from Southern, slave holding states. The Republican party's desire was to end the expansion of slavery so that it would eventually die out. When the Southern states seceded, their congressmen resigned their seats, allowing the Northern congressmen to pass the legislation that was previously blocked by Southern congressmen.

I'll try to avoid getting into who attacked who first, because I'm sure that will cause even more disagreements. Though I'm sure you know about the Battle of Fort Sumter.

The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order, not an amendment. Are you really arguing that 6 months was too long, so that the North is somehow to blame for not making slavery illegal fast enough. How long do you think it would take to pass and ratify an amendment in 2015? Now think about how slowly information was transmitted back then.

Come on, you can't seriously believe the Civil War wasn't about slavery?

Edit- And it's a little disingenuous to say the Fugitive Slave Act was actively enforced in Northern states.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Jun 25, 2015

It is disingenuous to say "it took only six months" when talking about the 13th Amendment when you just said that all pro-slavery Congressmen resigned four and a half years prior to it's enactment.

beerman · Jun 25, 2015

Avtomat-Acolyte said:
It is disingenuous to say "it took only six months" when talking about the 13th Amendment when you just said that all pro-slavery Congressmen resigned four and a half years prior to it's enactment.

Fine, we both are guilty on that one.

Edit- after a quick trip to google to brush up on my timeline, I see it was passed in April of 1864, but ratified in 1865. It was also first discussed in congress in 1853. So, whether six months or four years is fast enough, at least it was passed, and it was the start of reconstruction.

Tigerstripe · Jun 25, 2015

ok you dad blasted yankees. :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

let them take it, at least the flag is supposed to go to a museum.

so who wants to join Louis Faricon and take down the US Flags from STATE houses?

bigfutz · Jun 26, 2015

Tigerstripe said:
ok you dad blasted yankees. :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

let them take it, at least the flag is supposed to go to a museum.

so who wants to join Louis Faricon and take down the US Flags from STATE houses?

The way things are going, we are closer to taking down the state flags and replacing them all with a single flag (but doubtfully Old Glory).

Midnight Raver · Jun 26, 2015

Tigerstripe said:
ok you dad blasted yankees. :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

let them take it, at least the flag is supposed to go to a museum.

so who wants to join Louis Faricon and take down the US Flags from STATE houses?

Don't go blaming the dad blasted Yankees, blame the whole country for all of this mess. I learned plenty enough about our Civil War as a kid to know what it was really all about.

In schools today they do not teach history any more, they teach opinions. Kids are not educated any more, they are only shown how to take standardized tests. This is the way it is now in the 21st century, welcome to the machine.