Win the War...Create a gun owner

[Cohiba]

Heres the idea.
Nothing is a as good for gun rights and the Bill of rights as more gun owners.
NOTHING.
Not NRA memberships, letters, e-mails ect.
Nothing speaks louder than Armed citizens.
So here is my idea.
Create a new gun owner.
Thats your homework.
You and 2-3 friends purchase a sporter milsurp or the like. something durable, iron sighted. robust and some ammo.
Then you locate someone in your life who is not a gun owner and you donate the rifle to them. The three of you spend time giving them safety lessons and teaching them the maunal of arms and take them shooting.
And in doing so you have the opportunity to make a real change.
I know its not as easy as signing an online petition or giving a credit card number online or over the phone to someone...But it creates a new gun owner and builds the only true force to be reconed with in this country.
An armed populace.
I had gibbs sporter enfield I was selling and yesterday i carried it over and dropped it off at a friend buisness with some ammo. we have selected a fellow who is a recent citizen and until now not a gun owner.
over the next month we have commited to spend time teaching (and preaching) the aspects of safety, maint, shooting and gun ownership. And the only requirment we put on him was this...
When you decide that you have outgrown this rifle and are ready to step up to something else, you return it with the promise to carry the message on and help us create even another gun owner.

 

[Tigerstripe]

DANGER, DANGER will Robinson.

 

[Cohiba]

please...expound.
Do you have something of substance to say or just increasing your post count?
What danger. My buddy and I are both exp. firearms instructors with 6 decades of combined experience in weapons. My self having a USMC background and he, a LEO for 20+ years.
The fellow getting the rifle is a citizen. originaly from Mexico, he was a trade machinist there and is a electrical maint man at a local college here. He owns a home, pays his taxs and loves this country.
So what is it you think is a danger?

 

[Tigerstripe]

though you and your buddy may know what you are doing, and i commend you for that, some folks may not see the dangers.

say a member puts a gun in someones home, worst case i know, a child finds it and somehow that unloaded gun fires. kids have done that. even if not responsible i would not like to be the one that gave the gun.

gun stolen, used in a crime. just seems to me you are setting yourself up for a fall.

on the side of promoting gun ownership, take them to the range lots of times. give them ammo to shoot or better let them buy their own so they know its not cheap.
teach saftey and show many different guns. help them choose theirs and let him become his own gun owner. then you are not in line in case of any problem.
give him a fish or teach him to fish, with his own gun.

whats really fun for me is, at the range, ASK parents for permission, then oversee a kid with my machine gun. now there is a convert. even grumpy parents have honestly come and thanked me after seeing the "gun rush" it put their kid on.

just my opinion

 

[Cohiba]

OH BULLCHIT!
Your just being argumentative.
Theres no difference between what we are doing and when someone sells a gun. SO you have never sold a gun, ever?
Your just looking to disagree.
Tell me how it's any different than the transactions that occour on the classifieds? The fact that NO money changes hands makes it somehow dangerous?
BS!

 

[Midnight Raver]

OH BULLCHIT!
Your just being argumentative.
Theres no difference between what we are doing and when someone sells a gun. SO you have never sold a gun, ever?
Your just looking to disagree.
Tell me how it's any different than the transactions that occour on the classifieds? The fact that NO money changes hands makes it somehow dangerous?
BS!

And how do you know that the person should even be around firearms in the first place? Tigerstripe is right, there are so many variables in your scenario that could go horribly wrong. In a way it is like a straw purchase with no money involved. By the way, just because people sell firearms and/or have them in the classifieds doesn't necessarily indicate that they are legal or wise transactions as well. Nowadays just the possibilities of a lawsuit due to giving someone a firearm would give anyone pause. One could even make the case that they were coerced into taking a firearm and being taught how to use it. Being an accessory to any and all possible problems is not a good thing.

Oh, and Win the War? What war are you talking about?

 

[Tigerstripe]

why would i want to argue? i said you and your buddy may know what you are doing. i can believe that but there are some stupid people out there.

just to mention one, a guy at a local gun store said something about 80% lowers and i said you can get them 95% too.
his response was well he is just going to get "the guy" to mill it for him and drill it for a sear. i had to say thats big trouble but he says he wont shoot it except at his dads house. that guy is stupid.

i have sold 1 handgun to my landlord of 4 years. ive been asked to lend guns and immediatly sound a firm "no way".

maybe Mike would put in 2 cents, he is a lawyer.

 

[armaborealis]

Cohiba is 100% correct. Expanding responsible gun ownership is the long term key to success.

The only reason I am not pushing it super hard on these forums right now is because we need to mount a serious defense inside the red zone right the frick now. To visualize the current situation with a football analogy, it is 2nd down and 18 yards to go, the Gun Grabbers have the ball, and we need to dig in our heels to prevent them from getting points on the board. And their odds of getting a field goal (some sort of more minor but still very bad measure) are looking uncomfortably high.

More gun owners helps us move the ball on the next drive but probably won't be in time to help us on this current fight, today, this week in the Senate.

When recruiting folks it is really important to find moms and women. If you can get a woman on board with gun ownership the whole family will follow. Women are good students and care about learning safety rules (probably because they don't think they know it all already :lol: ).

The next step is to ensure they move towards the self-defense aspects of shooting. There is a big difference between a Fudd with a double barrel shotgun who is just participating in a sport and someone who gets the real truth behind the 2A. This doesn't necessarily happen overnight but taking steps towards getting a CCW is a good way to start; shall-issue CCW has done more for us on this issue nationwide than anything else since 1994, I think.

Finally, you need to politically activate them. It does no good if 2/3 of the population owns guns if they don't vote or tell their elected representatives that they are a gun owners and they want gun rights now. We have RINOs who are wishy washy on gun rights because people can't be bothered to vote in the primaries. We are in the fight we're in now because of the results of the elections for the Senate and the Presidency last November. If we want strong pro-2A legislators we need to get lots of people out to support them and vote for them and influence them.

But, that said, awesome work Cohiba and you are 100% correct.

 

[Avtomat-Acolyte]

The post about "politically activating" someone is pretty important to note.

Gun ownership is exactly the same as car ownership. There is no commonality between gun owners other than the innocuous act of owning of a gun. Every single type of person in this country owns a gun and it is impossible to unite them, because many of these groups dislike or hate each other.

There are plenty of gun owners that support and advocate gun bans.

Teaching someone the utility and practicality of owning and being proficient with a firearm will absolutely not prevent them from voting for anti-gun people like Bush and Obama.