The list of Shame (places where concealed carry is banned)

[Dave29461]

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I agree with LG about using the business cards to let the owners know how you feel about their policy. The pocketbook speaks louder than action. I haven't been to a walk-in movie in many years. I haven't found many commercial establishments that I can't do without. The internet is a wonderful thing.
I have spoken to managers about concealed carry policies and tried to always present a calm, rational & intelligent case for the positive aspects of having armed patrons who have had some training in firearm use and law to protect and maybe deter the bad guys. I have never been able to change anyone's mind with a negative argument. It usually just pisses them off and their mind shuts down. I feel they have a right to decide if they want to allow concealed carry on their property just as we have the right to carry concealed. We and they have to observe the line between the two rights. They can exercise their right to throw your butt out or have you arrested if you make a disturbance in their place of business. We can exercise our right to not spend our money there. I exercise that right a lot. I also respect their right and maybe they will see that the concealed carry holders are not the blood thirsty maniacs the anti-gun crowd paints us to be. I also remind them that the bad guys don't give a rat's ..... about their sign.
Just my opinion and nothing more.

 

[Dave29461]

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Boycott Against Anti-Gun Restaurant Gaining Steam

Contributor Brian McCombie | Nov 15, 2010 | Comments 0

As a press release by Ector noted, ?The boycott was initiated by a local Michigan CCW Class Instructor, Rick Ector, in response to that eatery?s ban on the possession of all legally carried firearms?openly carried or lawfully concealed carried with a state of Michigan permit. In Michigan, open carry of a pistol in a visible holster is legal without a license. Furthermore, the concealed carry of a handgun is also legal if the person has a Michigan Concealed Pistol License.?

?Ector, a former robbery victim, believes that the restaurant?s ban on handguns creates a dangerous dining environment for customers. The reasoning, according to Ector, is that if a business bans guns then armed criminals will know where they can find unarmed people to rob, rape, and assault. The boycott will remain in effect until this local IHOP location drops it gun ban.?

A National Rifle Association credentialed firearms trainer, Ector provides CCW instruction in the Detroit area. Read More

Source: Online PR News 11/13/10

 

[Bob Ouellette]

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I've got a question about the signs. I've seen a lot of decals placed directly onto glass doors. Technically, there are no defined edges, and sometimes it makes them difficult to see. Are these decals considered legal/enforceable signs or not?

Detyens Shipyards in North Charleston has a non-compliant sign inside their gate.

 

[Pitviper0404]

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I've got a question about the signs. I've seen a lot of decals placed directly onto glass doors. Technically, there are no defined edges, and sometimes it makes them difficult to see. Are these decals considered legal/enforceable signs or not?

Detyens Shipyards in North Charleston has a non-compliant sign inside their gate.

According to what I have read on sign requirements, they do not specify if they must be physical signs and they also do not say that they cannot be decals. However, if they do not follow the rest of the guidlines and are difficult to see, I would say they are non compliant. Personally, if I see it posted and have doubts whether the sign is legit or not, I either leave or lock my gun in the truck.

 

[thebrasilian]

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I've got a question about the signs. I've seen a lot of decals placed directly onto glass doors. Technically, there are no defined edges, and sometimes it makes them difficult to see. Are these decals considered legal/enforceable signs or not?

Detyens Shipyards in North Charleston has a non-compliant sign inside their gate.

If they do not follow what is specified in the law, they are not compiant. All they can do is ask you to leave if they find out. And you should comply with thier wishes if ask or your trespassing.

The Columbia Zoo has a sign at the gates that list things that are not allowed. Drinks, food...and the last item is weapons. It's not compliant. So I carry. Never know when a Gorilla might escape.

 

[Bob Ouellette]

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Thanks guys. I don't go many places other than work, home, the gas station, and the grocery store :lol:

 

[WARRIOR 1]

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This is really a very gray area. Many buildings have these signs at the main entrance only, particularly
those located in malls. If you enter the building from INSIDE the mall there may be no signs at all.
Just remember, concealed means concealed. That should be your first priority-no excuses.
Personally, I don't worry too much about these clowns who put these signs up. We all know where
the SHALL NOT carry places are(schools, federal buildings, court houses, etc), and so long as you
respect these there should'nt be a problem. The only incidents I've heard of where someone had a
problem in a 'posted' business involved letting the weapon be seen (dumb).

 

[Doxiedad]

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Regal Theatre in Summerville (target shopping center) has a legit sign.

 

[thebrasilian]

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The law states at all entrances and at a certain hight and the details of the sign. Otherwise they are not compliant.

 

[Frost]

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How about if a door is technically an exit and you walk in it?
If it opens from the outside isn't it an entrance regardless of it's markings?

 

[Bob Ouellette]

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How about if a door is technically an exit and you walk in it?
If it opens from the outside isn't it an entrance regardless of it's markings?

I would think as long as you can go in it, it's an entrance.

 

[carsontech]

I don't see Bi-Lo listed anywhere on here, so I thought I would list them.

Bi-Lo stores are posted. I haven't found one that is posted compliantly in the upstate area, but they are posted. Bi-Lo posts inconspicuously, notice the fine print:

My wife and I do no patronize Bi-Lo because of this. I have emailed them over and over again and never get a response. After researching, Bi-Lo has a dark past of not respecting the rights of people who carry firearms. Then I found this from someone who was finally able to get a response on the matter. There is a corporate policy that weapons are not allowed in their stores:

Yes, the letter says, NC. So I have tried contacting Bi-Lo corporate to see their stance in SC. Their silence was deafening. They are avoiding me.

Now, if the Bi-Lo employees can't see the weapons, they can't ask you to leave. That's not the principle of the thing for Caitlin and I. We believe in property rights, but we also believe in taking our hard earned money to places that respects our rights to protect ourselves.

I have sent another email and have tried calling the lady's number in the letter. I never get an email back or call back. This has been going on a while, so I'm sure they're tired of me.

 

[Frost]

Since that is not the correct signage for SC exactly what does that mean to us?

 

[carsontech]

Since that is not the correct signage for SC exactly what does that mean to us?

Not much yet, I'm still trying to look into it. Usually you can tell a lot about where your money is going when you give money to stores like these. From my limited experience, stores that post, compliant or not, have some kind of hidden agenda.

The less chance there is that my money gets donated to an anti-gun organization or fundraiser, the better.

Although, you are correct, it doesn't affect us here in SC, that I know of, because of the signage statute.

 

[thebrasilian]

Since that is not the correct signage for SC exactly what does that mean to us?

This sign is not compliant to the stated law in South Carolina. The can only ask you to leave if you are discovered. If you do not comply, when asked to leave, to their request then you are trespassing.

 

[Enjay]

Now, if the Bi-Lo employees can't see the weapons, they can't ask you to leave. That's not the principle of the thing for Caitlin and I. We believe in property rights, but we also believe in taking our hard earned money to places that respects our rights to protect ourselves.

I do know that in the case of small business owners their insurance company sometimes requires them to post no weapons signs as a way of covering their assets when it comes to liability. I know of one place that I believe intentionally has a non-compliant sign up knowing full well that their CWP clientele is not required to abide by it. I haven't asked because I'm not interested in rocking the boat.

 

[lafayette gregory]

Bi-Lo, I cannot afford to shop at Bi-lo. Their prices are so high, I am funding a retirement account on the money saved by shopping Publics and Ingles. Not to mention Sam's club.
Give them another two years and they will be up for sale AGAIN :roll: Three months before the go on the auction block they will increase the price of everything in their stores to over inflate their gross worth. Screw Bi-lo, their smelly arse stores and the horse they road in on :evil: BTW- if you pay $2.00 for a .85 cent can of beans they will give you a 1/2 cent discount on over priced gasoline. They do not have to ask me to leave because I will never darken their doors. ANYBODY who shops "buy- crap" has more money than brains. Their shelf products are short dated because they buy closeouts and overstocks, their produce is not local and they REFUSE to offer local or organic items. Most of their produce comes from outside US borders with no regulation on how or what it used to grow it. Its like eating poison.
Lookin for a reason to not shop Bi-lo.... Ya - they hate Free Americans who insist in defending themselves from tyranny.----- No CCW allowed- Thats a good reason. :roll:

 

[Enjay]

Greg, don't hold back now, tell us what you really think. :lol:
Do you use coupons? If you do you might investigate their coupon policies, that might change your mind.
Our Bi-Lo's double coupons every day, with a face value up to $.60, and they have weekly buy-one-get-one specials so if you match up your coupons to the bogo sale you can make out like a bandit.

 

[Dirk Pitt]

Now, if the Bi-Lo employees can't see the weapons, they can't ask you to leave. That's not the principle of the thing for Caitlin and I. We believe in property rights, but we also believe in taking our hard earned money to places that respects our rights to protect ourselves.

I do know that in the case of small business owners their insurance company sometimes requires them to post no weapons signs as a way of covering their assets when it comes to liability. I know of one place that I believe intentionally has a non-compliant sign up knowing full well that their CWP clientele is not required to abide by it. I haven't asked because I'm not interested in rocking the boat.

Interesting...

 

[Enjay]

When I was a store manager in WI the owners put up a no weapons sign even though the location I managed was in a mall and did not have an outside entrance because if they posted it on all of their properties they got a discount on their insurance. Another store that I worked for later was robbed and we were required to put up signs after that or they were going to drop us.
*shrug* personally I'd tell the insurance company to take a flying leap but I don't own a business that I insure.