The 2013 Assault Weapons Ban Thread

I've got to agree with Patrick... In recent days i've talked to several shooter and was shocked at the amount that said they would turn over their firearms without a fight.
You guys know who you are and should be ashamed!!!!! Leach is a pretty good discription and if your not a NRA member join now.
 
There's definitely a trend among younger shooters to move away from the NRA and support smaller organizations like the SAF.

However it was recently pointed out to me that the SAF's strategy of overturning legislation through litigation, while very effective over the past few years, focuses on undoing bad legislation that's already been passed. There isn't another organization with the legislative muscle to block this stuff on the front end.

So I'm re-joining, but I'm quitting for good if I get ONE MORE SPAM EMAIL for the NRA Wine Club.
 
NRA Wine Club.

I actually LOL'd when I saw this... Are you for realz or is that a joke I'm missing? All I picture if a bunch of guys in their khaki hunting outfits and hats with giant mustaches and monocles siting around sipping wine. Maybe talking about their latest hunt in Africa where they were able to bag an endangered white rhino.

Yes, I know it's a negative stereotype, but that's what popped in my head, so sue me.
 
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"The NRA Private Reserve Sauvignon Blanc is heady, tannic, with a bouquet reminiscent of spring roses and VV N320."
 
I believe you can get an associate membership for $15. At least you can if you join through the Ponca gun club. You don't get the magazine, and no spam mail.
 
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I stole this from another forum (68forums). What are your opinions?

Thought this would be an interesting topic to contemplate. As I've been drafting a letter to my reps, I've been mulling over possible solutions that would appease both sides of the issue; for inclusion in my letter. We've all heard what both sides of the argument WANT to do about it, but what are you shooters really willing to accept in the form of gun control legislation? My list is below. Discuss, but please try to keep this thread from devolving into the usual Antis = bad guys, Pro-gun = good guys; there's already enough of that happening in our country.



What I would LIKE to see happen:

-NICS checks for all private transactions. My understanding is you have to have a check through an FFL, but not the private transactions. I've never been a party to a private trans, so I may be mistaken here. Correct me if that's the case. Disagree. I would like to see this NOT happen.

ETA: -The option for teachers to carry concealed, pending completion of a CPL course, additional intensive training for shooting in a school environment, and approval by the principal and school board. Agree on the first couple parts; disagree with the approval of the principal part. Undecided on the school board approval. My caveat on that would be: only if it was made up of parents with children in that school.

-CPL holders are allowed to carry in gun-free zones. Michigan just tried to pass legislation like this, but it was very poorly worded for a state that also allows open carry with no permit. Agree.



What I'd be willing to put up with:

-Mandatory completion of a firearms safety course for ALL gun buyers (CPL course an acceptable substitute) Bullshit. Might as well enact complete firearm registration. And just remove the 2A, since that would make it a privilege to those who could afford it.

-Waiting periods of up to 7 days for both handguns AND rifles. No. Not as offensive as some ideas, but still, how many shootings would this really stop? A handful, if that, per year; out of thousands.

-A ban on true high capacity pistol and rifle mags such as the drum mags (which never work anyway) and the extended glock mags Absolutely not. For any mass shooting in recent history, mag capacity wouldn't have likely change much, if any, of the results.

-A ban on slidefire/bumpfire type stocks and crank type trigger adapters (like those for the ruger 10/22) Why?

-Requiring a purchase permit signed by local LEO's for the purchase of any pistol or semi-auto rifles/shotguns (like MI used to have, but just overturned) Again, why? This basically puts your 2A rights in the hands of local LEO. Not that I dislike them, but it is not their responsibility to protect my physical or civil security; why then should they have the keys to my ability to do that?

-More detailed background checks on purchasers of pistols and semi-auto rifles/shotguns. If they pair it with a waiting period you would be delayed anyway, so why not take a closer look a gun buyers? Again, what would this have changed, and how would this help prevent other crime? How many regular criminals purchase legally now, and how many first timers like the VT shooter and the CO theater shooter would still not have been caught? Not to mention "crimes of passion" where the shooter may have no criminal history, or already owns the gun. This is just one more thing that makes it more intrusive for law abiding gun owners.



What I would put up with ONLY if it meant losing my guns were an alternative:

-Registration of semi-auto firearms. Absolutely not. None of their business. I disagree with Class III registration as it is. Besides, most of the mass shootings the shooter is probably assuming they will die, so they don't care if it's registered anyways.

-A ban on magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rds. Absolutely not. For any mass shooting in recent history, mag capacity wouldn't have likely change much, if any, of the results.

What I WILL NOT tolerate under any circumstance:

-Confiscation of any kind

-Classifying semi-auto firearms as NFA items and requiring registration

-Diane Finestein as a dinner guest.

What do you guys think?
 
I'm on board with school board approval. Basically all it does is remove Federal prohibitions on carry in school zones. Individual school districts should be able to decide what's right for them.

I believe you can get an associate membership for $15. At least you can if you join through the Ponca gun club. You don't get the magazine, and no spam mail.

This is what I've done in the past. I'll probably do the same again.
 
FYI, you can get a lifetime NRA membership for $300 if you have a lifetime member sponsor you. I'm more than willing once mine is processed.(They are 2-3 weeks backlogged)

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]800-672-3888 and option 3, then give sponsors #, current NRA number (expired, current, or new) and credit card. [/background]

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]As long as I live 10 years it will be worth it ;p[/background]
 
Massad Auoob has it right:

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/29/why-good-people-need-semiautomatic-firearms-and-high-capacity-magazines-part-i/

"The reasoning is strikingly clear. The cops are the experts on the current criminal trends. If they have determined that a “high capacity” semiautomatic pistol and a .223 semiautomatic rifle with 30-round magazines are the best firearms for them to use to protect people like me and my family, they are obviously the best things for us to use to protect ourselves and our families ."
 
FYI, you can get a lifetime NRA membership for $300 if you have a lifetime member sponsor you. I'm more than willing once mine is processed.(They are 2-3 weeks backlogged)

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]800-672-3888 and option 3, then give sponsors #, current NRA number (expired, current, or new) and credit card. [/background]

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]As long as I live 10 years it will be worth it ;p[/background]

I am going to do this as soon as I get my buddies member #!
 
Thats great information. I really appreciate you posting this. I'll be sure to pass it along.

I've been looking at thousands of stats over the past couple weeks. All have supported our views. I'm just not as well spoken or collected as this gentleman. If I made a video, I'd some across as a gun crazy nutjob. I'm glad he invested the time he did in it. Hopefully all of us will spread it around.
 
I've been looking at thousands of stats over the past couple weeks. All have supported our views. I'm just not as well spoken or collected as this gentleman. If I made a video, I'd some across as a gun crazy nutjob. I'm glad he invested the time he did in it. Hopefully all of us will spread it around.

He really focused on the problem. I've delved deeper into the stats, but never the less, the majority of crimes happen in certain large metro areas.
He didn't go into that specifically, but digging deeper will show that Detroit, Chicago, DC and others are hotbeds of violent crime.

What disturbs me is that the media, never reports this like he said. WHY?

Well, I know why, but I'll leave that here.
 
"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I've been looking at thousands of stats over the past couple weeks. All have supported our views. I'm just not as well spoken or collected as this gentleman. If I made a video, I'd some across as a gun crazy nutjob. I'm glad he invested the time he did in it. Hopefully all of us will spread it around.
I put that on my facebook a couple of days ago along with the "no ma'am" thing from the Marine. It's good too.
 
I just want to go on record that I DO NOT own any assault weapons..........My weapons have never assaulted anyone!
 
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