Steel Plate doesn't fall

[Pstmstr]

ok, one more for me, we are shooting Arcadia and those pesky steel plates on stands. A shooter hits one and spins it sideways so only the side is showing but it does not fall, a very thin target indeed. What's the call, if the RO has the responsibility to make one? Can the shooter stop shooting, should they continue shooting at the plate, can they ignore the plate and shoot the remaining course of fire? If they do leave the plate, is it scored as a missed steel?

 

[shootingbuff]

Just call me jabber jaw, but to get this back on track I will say what I would call and not what I know is in the rules - I also dont officiate and seldom shoot USPSA. That stated I would treat the target as a scored hit, Reason it was obviously hit but with the edge you can ruin the target and get more splat, I look at it as a safety issue first.

 

[TroyF]

Just call me jabber jaw, but to get this back on track I will say what I would call and not what I know is in the rules - I also dont officiate and seldom shoot USPSA. That stated I would treat the target as a scored hit, Reason it was obviously hit but with the edge you can ruin the target and get more splat, I look at it as a safety issue first.

Not sure if that is the correct call officially, but I agree. It is a hit or at the ver least a reshoot. That target may not be able to be re-engaged safely. I saw that happen to Scorch at ProAm. His. Argument was as stated above. RO called it a miss, as it did not fall. ProAm rules......

 

[Pstmstr]

Just call me jabber jaw, but to get this back on track I will say what I would call and not what I know is in the rules - I also dont officiate and seldom shoot USPSA. That stated I would treat the target as a scored hit, Reason it was obviously hit but with the edge you can ruin the target and get more splat, I look at it as a safety issue first.

what if during the walk thru, they specified, as they most often do, steel must fall to score?

Not sure if that is the correct call officially, but I agree. It is a hit or at the ver least a reshoot. That target may not be able to be re-engaged safely. I saw that happen to Scorch at ProAm. His. Argument was as stated above. RO called it a miss, as it did not fall. ProAm rules......

others want to give it a shot, is the guy shooting free tomorrow night right on this one?

 

[jtischauser]

All clean or so I think.

 

[Scott Hearn]

I saw someone a long time ago do that. Turned it almost exactly 90 degrees. Then they proceeded to nail it on edge and send it flying. Can't remember who it was, but I want to say it was Cyrwus or Pinto.

 

[The Antichrome]

There are rules specific to plates (and they're different from poppers)
Its REF and reshoot.

In Pro-Am you better hammer it down, that match differs slightly from USPSA.

 

[Pstmstr]

I saw someone a long time ago do that. Turned it almost exactly 90 degrees. Then they proceeded to nail it on edge and send it flying. Can't remember who it was, but I want to say it was Cyrwus or Pinto.

I've seen Bubber do it, on the first shot if I remember correctly.

 

[Scott Hearn]

I've seen Bubber do it, on the first shot if I remember correctly.

I think that was him now that I think about it. I remember it was impressive as hell tho...

 

[Pstmstr]

There are rules specific to plates (and they're different from poppers)
Its REF and reshoot.

In Pro-Am you better hammer it down, that match differs slightly from USPSA.

my fellow range nazi is correct

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  4.3.1.6 Unlike Poppers, metal plates are not subject to calibration or cal- ibration challenges. If a scoring metal plate has been hit but fails to fall or overturn, the Range Officer shall declare range equip- ment failure and order the competitor to reshoot the course of fire, after the faulty plate has been rectified.

 

[shootingbuff]

what if during the walk thru, they specified, as they most often do, steel must fall to score?



others want to give it a shot, is the guy shooting free tomorrow night right on this one?

I would ask for clarification on an edge presentation. Then would have to go by what they stated. Seen a lot of spinning plates not fall so it would be a standard question, plus being thrifty when starting a club I don't want to jack up any steel unless the club wants me to

 

[The Antichrome]

I would ask for clarification on an edge presentation. Then would have to go by what they stated. Seen a lot of spinning plates not fall so it would be a standard question, plus being thrifty when starting a club I don't want to jack up any steel unless the club wants me to :wink:

No clarification of 'edge presentation' required.
All Steel must fall to score.
There are 2 kinds of steel, poppers and plates.
If poppers are hit and dont fall, they are subject to the calibration procedures.
If plates are hit and dont fall, it's REF and a mandatory reshoot.
Plates that spin and dont fall are REF and a mandatory reshoot.
When a plate falls off of a TX star, hits a plate below it, knocking it off too...its REF and a mandatory reshoot.
When you get a hanging chad on a TX star, it's REF and a mandatory reshoot.

 

[TroyF]

I like plates with muddy bases.....

 

[jtischauser]

There are rules specific to plates (and they're different from poppers)
Its REF and reshoot.

In Pro-Am you better hammer it down, that match differs slightly from USPSA.

In 3 gun it's like Burki, it goes both ways. Sometimes they gotta fall and sometimes a spun plate is considered a hit. I lime to default to the RO to make the call. Simply because I hate reshoots. If that RO calls hit its a hit!