Someone needs a serious fact checker...

[jfeenin]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/28/wa ... estigation

A loaded 12-gauge shotgun was found in the glove compartment of the Honda Civic Lanza drove to the school with two magazines containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds.

That's one heck of a glove box and some serious 12ga magazines. I would think they had to be drums. Strangely I swear I saw video of them pulling the shotgun from the trunk and it didn't have a magazine nearly large enough to hold 35 rounds.

 

[biganimal]

they are liars

 

[jfeenin]

I'd say the mother showed serious lack of judgement based on some things said in the article but I don't know how much of it is really true... For example along with the above quote which is clearly a pipe dream the article is titled "Newtown gunman spent more than 150 rounds, killed victims within 5 minutes" and the first paragraph repeats that as fact but the second says he shot everyone with the Bushmaster .223 then shot himself with the Glock 10mm. It also states he had 3 30rd magazines with him. There is a serious math discrepancy there somewhere. Obviously there are some facts left out. Giving them the benefit of the doubt I would say that he must have fired the handgun more and likely killed some of the victims with the handgun. However given the overall factual issues it's tough to know what is truth and what is purposely placed anti-gunner fuel.

 

[Tigerstripe]

ive read he used, not emptyed, used 6 mags, had 3 full, and one in the rifle.

but he was said to have fire nearly 200 rds and hit each person between 5 and 11 times.

so now the new CT laws, seen that?

 

[Midnight Raver]

The check for the alleged gun sale was for a C183, according to earlier reports. The only info on what a C183 is to be found comes up as a digital camera!

There was speculation that it may have been for a CZ83, but mistaking a Z for a 1 on the check is kind of stretching it a bit. Then again, they've been streching everything else as much as they can.

 

[John Canuck]

I doubt they care much about the facts.

I had an interesting conversation just the other day. I was in a sandwich shop where they had the news on and I was watching while they were blabbering on about 150 rounds fired in 5 minutes bla bla bla. There was a lady beside me commenting how terrible it was etc. I was just hoping my sandwich would get done so I could split. However, there was a line

I just listened as this lady whined on until she got to saying how she hoped they banned those high capacity clips. Sigh. I asked how many rounds was high capacity? She said ten (I'm sure because someone told her ten was enough).

I asked her what she thought would have happened had he only had ten rounds in each magazine instead of 30. She thought less people would have been killed.

I asked if it would be better if he had shot each person only once instead of multiple times, and had only fired 26 rounds killing 26 people in 5 minutes ? No response.

I said you know, I think the hand guns he had shot a larger bullet than the rifle. He had two of them and could have killed just as many or more with less reloads even limited to 10 rounds. I said the Vice President suggested people buy shotguns. If he had killed all of those poor little kids with a shotgun rather than the tiny round fired from the rifle, the effect would be the same, just much messier.

My sandwich was ready so I left. I doubt she got what I was telling her. None of that mattered because she was emotionally attached to her notion that limiting magazine capacity was the solution. When 10 is too many, it will be 7, the 3 then 1 then 0, then shotguns, then ... I think they will make it illegal for gangs to import guns from Mexico with their drugs.

 

[rotarymike]

This and the Aurora theater shooting incident really bug me, for having A. a dearth of accurately reported facts and B. being overhyped for political leverage.

Something terrible happened in both cases. People died. We as a society have an interest in knowing what happened, and what was preventable and what was random.

The thing that gets me is, it is NOT easy to kill folks with an Assault Weapon (fiction that the term is) or even a by-god Assault Rifle without tons of training. It is not like the movies - people don't just flop a couple times when you hit them and then fall down dead. Real life isn't a video game like that. People being shot do not just stand there to be shot some more.

The USA and USMC spend months training new recruits and still many of them aren't effective soldiers until after their first combat. (Of course, I have nothing but anecdotal evidence from fellow GIs to back that up - I turned wrenches on airplanes.)

So going through a building, murdering you way through classrooms of panicked, screaming kids, swapping magazines, and expending hundreds of rounds before police response doesn't seem like something anybody could just decide to do one day, and be successful at.

Maybe I'm wrong, and some folks instinctively are all Operator and shiat, I don't know.