Restaurant Carry Bill.??

this is a great example of what is wrong with our government.

is the first paragraph not enough?

we know the age limits, we know the business can put up a legal sign, etc,etc,etc.

why does it have to be TOO MUCH INFORMATION?

K.I.S.S.

Keep it Simple STUPID.
 
Lupinus said:
HA!

I love these clowns. "Veto this anti-buisness bill!" Wait a minute. Let me process this here.

These clowns want Haley to veto a bill which gives business owners the choice to allow or disallow (by way of a IMO redundant provision specifically notings owners can post a sign in accordance with the law) folks carrying in their establishment. It gives buisness owners a choice. It removes a lack of choice. But the bill is the anti-buisness entity here?

Dowut?
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The people soliciting a veto are endorsed and supported with legal and technical advisers by the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. They are trying to eliminate the ability of minority customers and business owners to make decisions on their own and to rely on the white-controlled government and law enforcement agencies / prosecutors offices.
 
Tigerstripe said:
this is a great example of what is wrong with our government.

is the first paragraph not enough?

we know the age limits, we know the business can put up a legal sign, etc,etc,etc.

why does it have to be TOO MUCH INFORMATION?

K.I.S.S.

Keep it Simple STUPID.
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Of course not. Because we elect people who say nice things but who can't read or comprehend things. And a fair number of them are lawyers.

It's just like the mention of a sign. It's redundant. We already know a business owner is free to post signage, and when done properly it serves as proper notice. But it has to be added making the bill more complicated than needed in order to placate certain segments of the legislature and their constituents.
 
I've always thought the worst people to elect to make your laws are lawyers. And I am one.

It's like putting the chemical spill ceo in charge of the EPA. A banker in charge of the CFB. Too much direct conflict of interest.
 
As usual, the local "rags" are sensationalizing the story and the "antis" are up in arms. I think what a lot of people don't understand is that you can't drink and carry. If you want to drink, you can't carry legally. If you want to carry for SD, you can't drink so I don't see why this is being made into an issue of drinking and guns. I guess it's just another example of the antis needing to make their points by any means. Personally, I'd rather be armed anywhere than not armed, particularly if a criminal decides to try something. I"d rather not be a statistic.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 ... ring-holes
 
Most folks don't read the actual legislation involved in a hot-topic issue - they listen to their preferred flavor of pundits. Both sides of the aisle do this. So here you have the derp of these "guns in bars" folks.

I only hope enough business owners read the damn bill before making this decision. I don't have an issue with places that are primarily bars deciding they don't want any guns there - that is their prerogative, after all. But I hope the restaurant folks realize this should result in less issues, not more.
 
That's true, it's the owners choice to decide whether or not they want to allow CC. But if they don't, it's also my choice to go someplace that does. It's a win for all parties. Vote on the option with your pocketbook. If enough folks do and let the anti's know why, it might change eventually.
 
Being debated right now as of 3:30 PM. Usual opposition fluff is being brought up.
I hope they get it through in spite of these who object without any reason except hype by opponents.
 
Adjourned at 3:43 to prepare for the Governor's State of the State address tonight. The last speaker before adjournment was extremely pro-S.308 and presented a good case for its passage.
So...until tomorrow.
 
The House just voted to concur with senate amendments and accept the bill as it came back from the Senate. The vote was 90 for, 18 opposed.
Guess it goes to the Governor now for her signature.
 
John, do you have a link to the SC Gun Blog site for updates from today?
Thanks for keeping us all informed as this bill goes through the General Assembly.
 
I'd imagine that whenever the Governor signs it, there will be a delay before implementation to allow businesses to post signs if they intend to.

But otherwise, thank goodness.

On a personal note, the primary time I've felt the need to carry is when my family and I go out at night to a restaurant. Not so much in the restaurant itself, but to/from the car in the dark. I used to not worry about this but then we had a child, and no one will defend her as vigorously as I and my wife will. Statistically night + gun-free zone = easy pickings for the criminally inclined. Were it just me, f' it they can have my wallet. Not worth dying or killing for. But my child is another matter.

Also means that when we travel to the inlaws (through some emptier parts of SC and NC) I won't be breaking the law if I choose not to leave my gun in the car.

Good news.
 
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rotarymike said:
I'd imagine that whenever the Governor signs it, there will be a delay before implementation to allow businesses to post signs if they intend to.
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The act will take effect immediately when it becomes law. No delay.
 
This is great news! Do we have any way to know when it might hit her desk for a signature?

ETA-
IANAL, so I don't know necessarily that I'm reading this right. But does this bill also amend the law removing the silly eight hour requirement for the course length? If you look at Section 2. A. at the crossed out (5) replaced with (4) it looks to amend out the minimum course length being eight hours, and only leaves what the course must cover.
 
The bill has to be rewritten as an act, signed by the House and the Senate and delivered to her office. It will be a day or two.

Yes, the course is no longer required to be 8 hours.
 
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