02Fatboy
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I do believe in the first amendment. And Phil can say anything he wants to he has earned that right and just remember free speech is not free so thank veteran.
Phil Robertson suspended from A&E's Duck Dynasty.
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technetium-99m
Mighty Righty
No, they don't own him, he is his own person. But if you honestly think that any employer should just sit back and let someone who represents them say things that may decrease their revenue you are mistaken.Eric_williams said:
If I get on a soapbox in front of my place of business and strip down nekkid or otherwise act like a lunatic then my employer may very well decide to get rid of me. If I make off color remarks to a client and it gets around then I may be canned. It has not one bit to do with the first amendment.
The funny thing is I doubt that guy gives two hoots about what A&E thinks, the man has plenty of money, I don't think he is losing one wink of sleep about this.
technetium-99m
Mighty Righty
It's not a first amendment issue until the man is being punished by the state for saying something.Rick Honey said:
02Fatboy
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It is about the first amendment. We the people have that right .As long as he didn't say it on the show.technetium-99m said:
Topshotdudley
Team Scalpel Arms
The point I was trying to convey was not the one that came across. Hopefully nobody gets there feathers to ruffled!Stone Dudley said:
Jennifer Herd Seymour
Glitter Britches
I agree to some point, BUT, A&E signed a CHRISTIAN family from the south that can be described as rednecks for a REALITY show. They aren't paying him to play another character, they are paying him to be himself, unscripted (to some extent anyway). That is like signing Kanye and then getting mad that he cussed.Jesse Tischauser said:
technetium-99m
Mighty Righty
Okay man, try my challenge and get back with us. Bonus points if you call a female client sugartits.Rick Honey said:
Also please show how the government is in some way punishing him, since the first amendment does not apply to A&E. By all means disagree with the network or whoever took him off the show, stop watching it, write letters, etc.
scubor2
S.L.C.G.A.
Tru dat.Jennifer S. said:
But they still sign the checks and have the contracts.
I'm pretty sure he will be happier fishing and hunting and preaching than screwing with numb nuts.
I sure as hell don't miss messing with EEEdjudts, as my grandpa used to say, and that was just a day job.
stan686
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I don't think A&E is going to have to worry about it. If Phil goes, they'll all go.
grayokc
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I agree with your first statement.Stone Dudley said:
Fleche
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If his contract had public statement clauses, they were very much within their right to suspend him from the show.
I find it funny how the outcry has been over his statements about homosexuality, when the comments on race are far more offensive if you put more than a few seconds of thought into them.
I find it funny how the outcry has been over his statements about homosexuality, when the comments on race are far more offensive if you put more than a few seconds of thought into them.
dennishoddy
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technetium-99m said:
I suspect this is the bottom line. He signed on to A&E to spread the beliefs the family lives by.
45recoil
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This got you a likeWall said:
Jennifer Herd Seymour
Glitter Britches
Is this not the norm?Wall said:
Robusto
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I am sure he can get a job at Chick-fil-a.
Eric_williams
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I will agree that this has nothing to do with the first amendment what so ever. The first amendment is for protection from the government.technetium-99m said:
If he went full blown stupid i would understand him getting canned but he didn't he was asked his opinion and he gave it. A&E knew he was all Hell, Fire and Brimstone when it came to his beliefs and that is one of the reasons they signed the family, heck if they wanted some redneck that duck hunts they could have found a million of them.
benjamin-benjamin
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not a first amendment issue at all, as things like this become more common, the question becomes "can an employer fire you for religious beliefs?" If a Christian says he doesn't believe Muslims are going to heaven (or vice versa) and the boss is of the opposite faith, should/can that person be fired for stating that?
these are the types of questions that really matter, with privacy going away and political correctness at an all time high, what is the line on what an employer can do? If you post on facebook that liberals are ruining this country, and you boss is a liberal and sees it.... can he fire you?
these are the types of questions that really matter, with privacy going away and political correctness at an all time high, what is the line on what an employer can do? If you post on facebook that liberals are ruining this country, and you boss is a liberal and sees it.... can he fire you?
dennishoddy
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In Oklahoma he can. We are a fire at will state.
Whether you can be fired for no reason, when you did nothing wrong, depends on your employment status and specifically on whether you are an at-will employee. In most of the United States, employees are generally considered “at will†employees. At-will means that you or your employer can terminate your job on a moment's notice for any reason, whether good, bad, indifferent or for no reason at all. The law in most states presumes that an employee is at-will unless the employee can prove otherwise. This means that unless the termination violates federal or state law, company policies, or an implied contract, there is very little that an at-will employee can do to protest a termination without a reason.
One of the reasons you can't be fired in Okla. is discrimination. You can be fired for being a red head, but if there is another red head in the company, they have to find another reason.
Union Organization is another issue you can't be fired for. There may be one or two more, but if an employer really wants to get rid of you, they will find a way.
Whether you can be fired for no reason, when you did nothing wrong, depends on your employment status and specifically on whether you are an at-will employee. In most of the United States, employees are generally considered “at will†employees. At-will means that you or your employer can terminate your job on a moment's notice for any reason, whether good, bad, indifferent or for no reason at all. The law in most states presumes that an employee is at-will unless the employee can prove otherwise. This means that unless the termination violates federal or state law, company policies, or an implied contract, there is very little that an at-will employee can do to protest a termination without a reason.
One of the reasons you can't be fired in Okla. is discrimination. You can be fired for being a red head, but if there is another red head in the company, they have to find another reason.
Union Organization is another issue you can't be fired for. There may be one or two more, but if an employer really wants to get rid of you, they will find a way.
