Officer 1911 in 9mm

[grainfed]

Check out the S&W Pro Series 3 inch. I've had one for over 10 years in .45ACP and it has never had one issue. Takes all my Tripp, WC, McCormick mags and any ammo that hits the chamber. The SKU is 178020. I also bought a 6 pack of recoil springs from S&W and have only changed it out once as they are flat springs and last longer than the standard round piano type springs. This model has the Scandium frame and makes for a lighter carry gun. Shoots HST, Gold Dot, and any other premium self-defence rounds without issue. I'm aware of the decades old discussions that a 3 inch 1911 is unreliable but this one has NEVER had a malfunction, period. When carried, I have a standard 8 round magazine. Years ago I added a Wilson Combat magwell and blended it to the frame and it carries Pachmyer grips. I consider it the perfect carry and concealable 1911 with regards to weight and function. If you lean towards 9mm, it's available also with the SKU being 178053.

 

[chiliinabowl]

Check out the S&W Pro Series 3 inch. I've had one for over 10 years in .45ACP and it has never had one issue. Takes all my Tripp, WC, McCormick mags and any ammo that hits the chamber. The SKU is 178020. I also bought a 6 pack of recoil springs from S&W and have only changed it out once as they are flat springs and last longer than the standard round piano type springs. This model has the Scandium frame and makes for a lighter carry gun. Shoots HST, Gold Dot, and any other premium self-defence rounds without issue. I'm aware of the decades old discussions that a 3 inch 1911 is unreliable but this one has NEVER had a malfunction, period. When carried, I have a standard 8 round magazine. Years ago I added a Wilson Combat magwell and blended it to the frame and it carries Pachmyer grips. I consider it the perfect carry and concealable 1911 with regards to weight and function. If you lean towards 9mm, it's available also with the SKU being 178053.
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That is another very good possibility. I was looking into that pistol and 9 mm for sometime. It's quite pricey for a production model and I can find a Dan Wesson ECO for about the same money, although used. I was a bit put off by the external extractor, but from what I have read, it performs very well.

 

[grainfed]

The external extractor has not been an issue. They've been around for decades on just about every other pistol made for good reason. The price is high for sure and I would never pass up a Dan Wesson as my Valor is one of my top tier .45's. If you can find a used ECO, I'd grab it for sure. I would put Dan Wesson above Smith any day of the week.

 

[Bill O’Rights]

I have a coupla Sig 1911's w external extractors … And other pistol designs (also Sigs, 1903 Colts, Hi Pwrs, Cz 75, …) with them, too. Never caused any problems for me. None.

Maybe, if the scenario involves muddy trenches for months on end, the external extractors could theoretically become an issue. But then, under such conditions, lowered ejection ports and tight slide to frame fit could theoretically present issues, too.

So, except that St. JMB didn't design the M1911 that way (as he also didn't do beavertail grip safeties, extended thumb safeties, "polka dot" triggers, high grip front straps, carry bevels, bull barrels, double stacks, modern sights, etc.) … I don't understand the objections to external extractors.

JMB did like em on his 1903's and Hi Powers… I don't know if he ever expressed an opinion on the merits or demerits of external v internal extractors …

On the other hand, if you just don't like em for any or even no reason, that's perfectly legit and I'm not arguing. Just sayin I don't see any inherent functional issues.

And I've already said too much, bc compared to many if not most on this forum, my knowledge is probably below average.

 

[Bob Lee]

I have a coupla Sig 1911's w external extractors … And other pistol designs (also Sigs, 1903 Colts, Hi Pwrs, Cz 75, …) with them, too. Never caused any problems for me. None.

Maybe, if the scenario involves muddy trenches for months on end, the external extractors could theoretically become an issue. But then, under such conditions, lowered ejection ports and tight slide to frame fit could theoretically present issues, too.

So, except that St. JMB didn't design the M1911 that way (as he also didn't do beavertail grip safeties, extended thumb safeties, "polka dot" triggers, high grip front straps, carry bevels, bull barrels, double stacks, modern sights, etc.) … I don't understand the objections to external extractors.

JMB did like em on his 1903's and Hi Powers… I don't know if he ever expressed an opinion on the merits or demerits of external v internal extractors …

On the other hand, if you just don't like em for any or even no reason, that's perfectly legit and I'm not arguing. Just sayin I don't see any inherent functional issues.

And I've already said too much, bc compared to many if not most on this forum, my knowledge is probably below average.

You're fine, and thank you for your input. Thank you for mentioning the Hi Power has an external extractor. The earlier ones did not, but at some point the change was made. They are very easy to change, and I've had no problems with them, and I have a family of those remarkable guns.

 

[barnetmill]

You won't get any criticism from me regarding Glocks. Right now I'm thinning my safe out, and when I'm done the only thing left will be 1911s and Glocks. Just tired of fooling around with other systems. Those are the two I'm comfortable with and shall remain so. I don't have a 40 caliber currently, although the first pistol I ever bought as a young Marine, was a Gen1 (or perhaps Gen2) Glock 22. My warrant officer was a 1911 guy and gave me quite a bit of crap for the "plastic" gun. Of course, I eventually came to appreciate the beauty of the 1911, but you still never forget your first!

My current woods gun is a GEN4 Glock 21 (10mm). You're correct, the trigger does not come close to that of a 1911, but it always goes bang!

I have a huge quantity of 40 brass and I have a g22-g17 frame from an earlier purchase. The easy button was setting up a long barreled G22. If a 10mm will do for grizzly bear, I figure that a heavily loaded 40 will work on smaller black bear. My first line of defense will be to get me and my dogs into the house if a bear come knocking, 2nd line is shotgun, and the pistol is none of the other options are feasible.
The weakness of a 40 for blackbear is that some blacks can overlap in size with grizzly bears. The state record for florida is over 600 lbs.

 

[Bentwing]

HEY! I don't want to create a panic, but there is a Dan Wesson ECO 9mm just listed on Gun Broker. It is "like new" and for 1200$. I was going to buy it as I feel this is a deal, but if someone else wants it real bad, please buy it soon so I won't be tempted! I already have the STI Escort and actually had it milled for a 507K. Cause I am old and blind Someone get this thing so I won't look at it any more!

 

[Bentwing]

Thank you! If nobody here got it, thats a bummer but it sold in a few hours.

 

[Bob Lee]

Thank you! If nobody here got it, thats a bummer but it sold in a few hours.

I've done the same thing, bid then think I reallly really really wish someone else would bid on this.

 

[Mike Flood]

I bought a Colt Officers Model when they first came out also. Had the hammer follow the slide racking a round and "Bang". By the grace of God, the round went into my safe. Sold it that week. A real POS.

Iv'e bought guns like that from people without a consciense with no regard that it may maime or take someone's life. I ended up spending repair money to have a clean consciense.

 

[HooDoo Man]

Iv'e bought guns like that from people without a consciense with no regard that it may maime or take someone's life. I ended up spending repair money to have a clean consciense.

It was sold to a GUNSMITH that knew the problem and owns a shop. .

 

[dennishoddy]

As I am getting older I find a very lightweight 45 acp to be the ticket
for warm weather & close encounters.

I poked fun at the Plastic glocks because I'm an old fart, now that that is clear.
About a year ago I bought a Kahr CW .45 pistol & went on trying to prove how bad it was.
Shot the snot out of it with Silvertips, HSTs, every gun show box of wiz bang single stoppers I had.

NO WAY! Not cleaned or lubed this little pistol acted like a 1911 it ran & ran for over 500 rounds.
I'm like you Guns are my friends & you don't abuse your friends, so I took it apart, cleaned & lubed it.

Unlike my now running SIG P250 full size POS! It took a year & a complete parts change to get this pistol
running. I do not trust it & will never carry it. The little KAHR I trust with my life, yet if I need a real fighting pistol
I need not search farther than my Colt 1911s from 1917 to 2011, I trust them all.

KAHR CW45, she has a plastic bottom but she's still cute. LOL
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Betsey was born in 1917. I found her in 69 & we have been together ever since.
Yes I like older women. OK?

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I just have a thing for big Bullets.
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I love my Kahr CW-40's. The trigger pull is a bit long but they always go bang.

 

[dennishoddy]

It was sold to a GUNSMITH that knew the problem and owns a shop. ASSHOLE.

Good for you. Too many pass on gun issues for others to fix. Not cool.

 

[chiliinabowl]

HEY! I don't want to create a panic, but there is a Dan Wesson ECO 9mm just listed on Gun Broker. It is "like new" and for 1200$. I was going to buy it as I feel this is a deal, but if someone else wants it real bad, please buy it soon so I won't be tempted! I already have the STI Escort and actually had it milled for a 507K. Cause I am old and blind Someone get this thing so I won't look at it any more!

I missed that one! There are 2 on there right now, but neither seems appealing. One seems a bit beat up (for the price) and the other is just overpriced at $1600 for starting bid…

 

[chiliinabowl]

I have a coupla Sig 1911's w external extractors … And other pistol designs (also Sigs, 1903 Colts, Hi Pwrs, Cz 75, …) with them, too. Never caused any problems for me. None.

Maybe, if the scenario involves muddy trenches for months on end, the external extractors could theoretically become an issue. But then, under such conditions, lowered ejection ports and tight slide to frame fit could theoretically present issues, too.

So, except that St. JMB didn't design the M1911 that way (as he also didn't do beavertail grip safeties, extended thumb safeties, "polka dot" triggers, high grip front straps, carry bevels, bull barrels, double stacks, modern sights, etc.) … I don't understand the objections to external extractors.

JMB did like em on his 1903's and Hi Powers… I don't know if he ever expressed an opinion on the merits or demerits of external v internal extractors …

On the other hand, if you just don't like em for any or even no reason, that's perfectly legit and I'm not arguing. Just sayin I don't see any inherent functional issues.

And I've already said too much, bc compared to many if not most on this forum, my knowledge is probably below average.

I agree, it's really just an aesthetic hand up and I need to let it go. That SW1911 with the external extractor is probably my top candidate. From all the reviews I have read, it seems to be one of the few that does not suffered for most of the problems associated with these small 1911s. The Dan Wesson even has a few negative reviews, although I'd still probably buy one if I could find a good deal. I do wish S&W wasn't so keen on BS marking all over the slide and frame (again, more aesthetic hang ups).

 

[Bob Lee]

I missed that one! There are 2 on there right now, but neither seems appealing. One seems a bit beat up (for the price) and the other is just overpriced at $1600 for starting bid…

Aaah ya know ya want one, go ahead it'd look good on you! This is what I'd say to my buddy years ago. It worked lol. Not that he really needed convincing

 

[terdog]

Ive owned (and still have in the Family's tender care ) a SA EMP4 LWC. It has been flawless with the exception of preferring a 6 o'clock hold. My OCD'ness likes that it holds 10 rnds in the mag. The grip is slim enough for most with smaller mits, yet a change of grips makes it work for bigger paws.

 

[chiliinabowl]

Check out the S&W Pro Series 3 inch. I've had one for over 10 years in .45ACP and it has never had one issue. Takes all my Tripp, WC, McCormick mags and any ammo that hits the chamber. The SKU is 178020. I also bought a 6 pack of recoil springs from S&W and have only changed it out once as they are flat springs and last longer than the standard round piano type springs. This model has the Scandium frame and makes for a lighter carry gun. Shoots HST, Gold Dot, and any other premium self-defence rounds without issue. I'm aware of the decades old discussions that a 3 inch 1911 is unreliable but this one has NEVER had a malfunction, period. When carried, I have a standard 8 round magazine. Years ago I added a Wilson Combat magwell and blended it to the frame and it carries Pachmyer grips. I consider it the perfect carry and concealable 1911 with regards to weight and function. If you lean towards 9mm, it's available also with the SKU being 178053.
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I ended up getting one of these in 9mm. It has been great so far. Have you had changed out the sights? I can't find a single manufacturer that will confirm they have sights that will fit it. S&W has been completely useless in telling me what the sight cuts are.

 

[grainfed]

chili.........Mine still has the stock sights. Never found the need to change them out. I'm pretty sure I checked with Dawson Precision years ago about getting some for it but let that pass. The link below will PROBABLY get you a fiber front and I would call Dawson Monday am to see if they have a rear sight. Their CS staff is among the best of any company. I seem to remember that they told me at the time that S&W sights are really a strange cut in the back. I would imagine your 3 inch in 9mm is much more pleasant to shoot than my .45 but it's not one I run hundreds through at one time. Years ago when I bought mine I put a Wilson Combat magwell on it and blended the bottom and rounded it out as smooth as butter. No printing whatsoever. Congrats on the gun. Just for grins, you might give S&W a call and get 3 or 4 recoil springs. They are cheap and last a really long time. Also had the alligator protector made for it.....After just now looking at Dawson's site, I might get the front fiber optic and black out the rear white dots. The specs on the Dawson should be fine as the stock front sight is a .125 width, the rear is .135 width, so the Dawson's height and width should work fine. Dawson is .125 wide and .105 high so the sight picture should be the same or extremely close. This little blaster is not a 50 yard bullseye gun so I'm not that jacked up about 25 yard accuracy.

Sight, for Smith & Wesson® 1911 Pro Series® Sub-Compact Pistols, Fiber Optic Front, by Dawson Precision®

Dawson Precision is the experienced shooter's source for top quality pistols, parts and gear. Our state-of-art facility keeps us on the cutting EDGE of technology, providing you with the highest quality products at the best price.

dawsonprecision.com

 

[chiliinabowl]

chili.........Mine still has the stock sights. Never found the need to change them out. I'm pretty sure I checked with Dawson Precision years ago about getting some for it but let that pass. The link below will PROBABLY get you a fiber front and I would call Dawson Monday am to see if they have a rear sight. Their CS staff is among the best of any company. I seem to remember that they told me at the time that S&W sights are really a strange cut in the back. I would imagine your 3 inch in 9mm is much more pleasant to shoot than my .45 but it's not one I run hundreds through at one time. Years ago when I bought mine I put a Wilson Combat magwell on it and blended the bottom and rounded it out as smooth as butter. No printing whatsoever. Congrats on the gun. Just for grins, you might give S&W a call and get 3 or 4 recoil springs. They are cheap and last a really long time. Also had the alligator protector made for it.....After just now looking at Dawson's site, I might get the front fiber optic and black out the rear white dots. The specs on the Dawson should be fine as the stock front sight is a .125 width, the rear is .135 width, so the Dawson's height and width should work fine. Dawson is .125 wide and .105 high so the sight picture should be the same or extremely close. This little blaster is not a 50 yard bullseye gun so I'm not that jacked up about 25 yard accuracy.

Sight, for Smith & Wesson® 1911 Pro Series® Sub-Compact Pistols, Fiber Optic Front, by Dawson Precision®

Dawson Precision is the experienced shooter's source for top quality pistols, parts and gear. Our state-of-art facility keeps us on the cutting EDGE of technology, providing you with the highest quality products at the best price.

dawsonprecision.com

Thanks Grainfed. It's funny you mentioned Dawson. I have talked to them and they were the most helpful. They do make the site you mentioned, and it is the only site I have found specifically made for that pistol. I have ordered one and hope to install it soon. Through online research I have come to suspect that this rear site might work as well: https://www.heinie.com/400rp-s-and-w-1911-slantpro-black-rear-sight.html
I need to verify with Heinie. Thanks!