If you ever have to pay the amount of money I did to get your S&G electronic lock "cracked" and replaced, you will nevr let your friends buy and electronic lock ever again. I had the other safe replaced at the same time. He was shocked that the model was still working. I now have mechanical dials and won't buy a digital lock ever again.jcameron996 said:I won't ever buy another safe with an electronic lock and may change out the one I have now to dial lock to match my other safe. I missed most of deer season a couple of years ago while I waited for a locksmith to come and open my safe with the busted electronic lock. Since then I have given several people the locksmiths info open their electronic locked safe.
David Hooper said:Another vote for Bear safe here... Yes, they are a pain in the ass to get into as mentioned before. Takes some time to get the hang of opening it. I'm only in it 2-3 times a week at most.
I only open my safe usually once a day. Unless I am cleaning guns.mike cyrwus said:...
Bear safes suck for ease of opening the locks.
...I pop them open easily 10-20 times a day..
Mitch Gibson said:Dude, no one is going to try and torch or saws-all their way through a safe unless they know what's in it. That takes time and skill, and some expertise. Sounds like a day job. Nearly all burglaries are smash and grab. Buy an economical safe that isn't a shitty footlocker with a fancy paint job, bolt it to the concrete, keep it locked, and don't tell anyone in your neighborhood that you have guns. In your case you could probably bolt it to a floor joist or two. Bigger, pricier safes have a lot more value in terms of fire-rating than protection. With the right saw blade, and two hours or less, any safe is coming right open.
If I were spending serious dough, I'd ask around at lock shops for an old 70s model with tear gas layered between the steel plate. That's usually what jewelers buy to house their wares.
Talking to the Browning rep at H&H awhile back, fire is by far the biggest worry. Since there really isn't a common standard (each safe company sets their own pass criteria for the independent labs to go by) it's pretty muddy. Not as bad as it used to be, but one really needs to do their due diligence on the fire ratings between manufacturers. A 30 minute rating on one isn't the same as the 30 minute from another.Robbie said:I'm not worried about saws or torches as much as prybars. Crackheads can get those, from my toolbox even. You're probably right though. Having any safe will probably do the trick against smash and grab types. I'm definitely going to check out what H&H has before I buy.