Mercy Hospital seems to permit carry

[oldglock]

Had to take my spouse inside Mercy hosp last week for tests so left my weapon in the car. Was pleasantly surprised to see none on the usual "weapons prohibited" signs anywhere.
When I went back to pick her up, I was carrying concealed and no metal detectors or anything went off.
This is unusual for medical facilities to say the leat.

 

[Wall]

IIRC hospitals are prohibited by law.

 

[brandt9913]

Walk into MRI room and see what happens.

 

[Burk Cornelius]

IIRC hospitals are prohibited by law.

Hospitals are good to go.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person in possession of a valid handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act to carry any concealed or unconcealed handgun into any of the following places:

1. Any structure, building, or office space which is owned or leased by a city, town, county, state, or federal governmental authority for the purpose of conducting business with the public;

2. Any meeting of any city, town, county, state or federal officials, school board members, legislative members, or any other elected or appointed officials;

3. Any prison, jail, detention facility or any facility used to process, hold, or house arrested persons, prisoners or persons alleged delinquent or adjudicated delinquent;

4. Any elementary or secondary school;

5. Any sports arena during a professional sporting event;

6. Any place where pari-mutuel wagering is authorized by law; and

 

[oldglock]

What are we saying here? I don't see a private hospital listed as a prohibited place.
Philip: what does happen? I actually went to an MRI waiting room but was not carrying.

 

[Burk Cornelius]

What are we saying here?

Hospitals are NOT on the list of prohibited places for concealed carry

 

[ChrisC]

They aren't unless they are owned and ran by the government... I.e. a state hospital

Or they have the no gun sign up

 

[Burk Cornelius]

They aren't unless they are owned and ran by the government... I.e. a state hospital

True.

Sorry for the double negative. Kind of made it sound confusing.

Or they have the no gun sign up

I was only talking about the places that are prohibited by statute (i.e. Title 21 Section 1277 A)

 

[brandt9913]

What are we saying here? I don't see a private hospital listed as a prohibited place.
Philip: what does happen? I actually went to an MRI waiting room but was not carrying.

An MRI is basically a huge electromagnet. Gun may get ripped out of holster and stuck to it, or maybe not. It's hard to tell. Magnetic fields can do weird things. I wouldn't chance it though.

 

[WillR]

Walk into MRI room and see what happens.

There have been some scary instances and bad outcomes with MRI and metal people mistakedly brought in. MRI and guns do not mix. Almost all of the magnets are self shielded now. So the rooms don't have to be as big. But along with this you can't notice anything pulling until about the end of the bed, right about 6" before its to late and there isn't any "holding onto it". You can't hang onto it in a 1.5 Tesla field.
The magnetic fields do "wired stuff". A tenis ball with some steel wool can be released, but often instead of just pinning to the magnet in a straight line, the ball will go through the bore and come back at you almost to the point of release. (With amazing speed) This can go on for a few passes before it sticks.
Guns will be pulled off you in the field. They are heavy enough to kill or seriously hurt someone else between you and the magnet. Then there is the little issue of the thing going off without the trigger being pulled. The most common way this happens is something in the fire control group is pulled allowing the hammer to fall. And the best part? The slide still works, so guess what happens next? Luckily this doesn't happen often.
The most common thing to get into them that requires ramping down the magnet is floor buffers. Venders like GE Siemens etc all will not remove any object without taking down the magnet because of safety concerns. Cost? $50-60K, depending on their mood.
Trust me. I have many stories about magnets that the lawyers don't want me to talk about.

 

[ShaneP]

In addition to Will's post, I might add that a common misconception is that the magnet is only on when they are using the machine. This is false, the magnet is always on.

Will, do they quench the magnet to "take them down" or is there another way then just pressing the big red button?

 

[WillR]

The big red buttons are for when someone is pinned to the magnet. It will ramp them down in a few seconds. Sometimes permentaly. And you loose 6000 L of helium. Not cheap. Cost of red button. 100K to cost of new magnet. (Up to say 2.5M). But 5-6 thousanf liters of liquid helium going to gas is quite the show stopper. The boiling point of helium is 4K (about -452F). There are big outside vents. The best way to see if the magnet is fried in the process is to run outside to these vents and see if black smoke comes out after the helium. Don't know where they are? Don't worry. You will be able to find them.

The older systems had a problem of spontaneously quenching. This was because the helium would accedently rise above the boiling point. That's where the trick of looking for the black smoke came from. These systems used liquid nitrogen to insulate the helium. But now the things cost so much you don't need this buffer.

When the venders come in they take them down slow and recover the helium.

 

[WillR]

I will try and find out what their policy is on licensed carry. That will be next Tuesday when I can ask.

 

[brandt9913]

The big red buttons are for when someone is pinned to the magnet. It will ramp them down in a few seconds. Sometimes permentaly. And you loose 6000 L of helium. Not cheap. Cost of red button. 100K to cost of new magnet. (Up to say 2.5M). But 5-6 thousanf liters of liquid helium going to gas is quite the show stopper. The boiling point of helium is 4K (about -452F). There are big outside vents. The best way to see if the magnet is fried in the process is to run outside to these vents and see if black smoke comes out after the helium. Don't know where they are? Don't worry. You will be able to find them.

The older systems had a problem of spontaneously quenching. This was because the helium would accedently rise above the boiling point. That's where the trick of looking for the black smoke came from. These systems used liquid nitrogen to insulate the helium. But now the things cost so much you don't need this buffer.

When the venders come in they take them down slow and recover the helium.

You're a physics geek.

 

[ChrisC]

True.

Sorry for the double negative. Kind of made it sound confusing.


I was only talking about the places that are prohibited by statute (i.e. Title 21 Section 1277 A)

I was only adding to your post.....

 

[WillR]

In addition to Will's post, I might add that a common misconception is that the magnet is only on when they are using the machine. This is false, the magnet is always on.

Will, do they quench the magnet to "take them down" or is there another way then just pressing the big red button?

And that is a very good point Shane.

THE MAGNET IS ALWAYS ON!

This is the number one excuse after accidents. It usually starts with "wellll I saw a metal table in the room so I thought it was off". Gong!

The best way I have found to get that through to people is tell them it will wipe out their credit cards if they enter the room. They seem to correlate this to the magnet being on all the time better than me telling them a flying oxygen cylinder will kill them.

 

[Burk Cornelius]

You're a physics geek.

And, evidently a pretty good thread derailer

 

[WillR]

And, evidently a pretty good thread derailer

Post 13 is good.

I can lobby their administration if I don't like the answer. For some strange reason they seem to listen to me. Sometimes.

 

[Larry Mullican]

I don't think you can just walk into an MRI room. I had a couple last year on my back and knees. They require you to wear the usual hospital gown, and leave your clothes, etc in a locker room down the hall and are then escorted to the tube room. I did wear my watch after telling the tech I wanted to test it. It was designed to be highly anti magnetic. As a Certified Watchmaker I could easily demagnetize it. The guy was right in regards to it stopping. It stopped cold dead while I was in the tube. However it did start up afterwards and only had a six seconds per day gain. Not the adjusted 2 sec per day. After demagnetizing it, it returned to the adjusted 2 sec gain. Most mechanical watches can't handle that much magnetism. Actually a magnetic I-Pad cover, refrigerator magnet or your wife or girlfriends magnetic snap on her purse can really make a mechanical watch run crazy fast.

 

[zsulli]

I went to visit a friend yesterday in the Women's Center at Mercy and the no weapons stickers were posted on the doors entering the building.