Less than $1000 out of the box with best trigger

jrthe1

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Went to the range today as promised and eager to shoot the SA RO Target Elite. Sent 8 mags down range and happy to announce no malfunctions. Shot it as was right out of the box. I wasn't too impressed by it's accuracy however. I didn't shoot the G21 today have have shot it enough to feel that it shoots a little flatter and with it's night sights maybe tied for accuracy. All on paper. Some great and some not so great. Brought my Ruger MarkII Target slab side along to sight in the period correct Millet red dot I just recently aquired and wow what a difference. It was way more accurate and what a great trigger. How was the SA RO Trigger? Pretty good. Not bad.
It has been awhile since I last shot and confess that I am new to 45ACP so I'm not jumping to conclusions. I will practice, practice, practice.
 

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mm1911

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I would doubt accuracy guns fault, just about 100% of guns more accurate than shooter, people that say can shoot a 1 1/2" group 25 yards, some may can but on my best day with best trigger 6" I'd be happy with, probably find you shoot pistol to better accuracy, figure out hold, is poa poi same, 45 little different than 9, recoil not terrible just different, not trying to be SA, just know shootin a pistol accurately not an easy thing, I'm guilty of watching way to many YouTube videos, one of bigger channels, IV8888, good dudes, do a lot of 2a stuff, very knowledgeable of military stuff but I cringe when they grab a pistol, any pistol for a review, immediately they start trying to shoot groups, after mag or two they decide oh this gun not accurate, they were just railing on a Beretta PX4 Storm, da/sa trigger, it's different for sure but is as accurate as most any gun is, I've got one, it's more accurate than I am, I'd just do some more work with it before being disappointed in accuracy
 

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I'd look into the BUL Armory lineup. Their Tac Gov model retails for $890 and their regular Gov model retails for $830 with options on caliber, finish, bull or bushing barrel, etc. Check out some of the new reviews on YouTube of them.
 

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You will notice that it is a lot easier to shoot a 22 rimfire accurately than a 45..
a lot more energy needed to push a 230 gr bullet than a 40gr.one.. that energy = recoil.
which pushes sights off point of aim, when the powder ignites.
Not so noticeable on a 22, but very noticeable on a 45acp.
Do you hand load ? Reason I ask is, I've found I can shoot my hand loads much more accurately than factory ammo.
I usually feed my 1911 45's either 185gr or 200gr. SWC bullets, & get much better accuracy than I get with 230gr RN loads.
I'll suggest that you lube the trigger well (not saying soak it ) and practice dry firing your pistol,
keeping eyes on sight alignment when the hammer falls. Practice helps.. Happy shooting!
 

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You will notice that it is a lot easier to shoot a 22 rimfire accurately than a 45..
a lot more energy needed to push a 230 gr bullet than a 40gr.one.. that energy = recoil.
which pushes sights off point of aim, when the powder ignites.
Not so noticeable on a 22, but very noticeable on a 45acp.
Do you hand load ? Reason I ask is, I've found I can shoot my hand loads much more accurately than factory ammo.
I usually feed my 1911 45's either 185gr or 200gr. SWC bullets, & get much better accuracy than I get with 230gr RN loads.
I'll suggest that you lube the trigger well (not saying soak it ) and practice dry firing your pistol,
keeping eyes on sight alignment when the hammer falls. Practice helps.. Happy shooting!
You will notice that it is a lot easier to shoot a 22 rimfire accurately than a 45..
a lot more energy needed to push a 230 gr bullet than a 40gr.one.. that energy = recoil.
which pushes sights off point of aim, when the powder ignites.
Not so noticeable on a 22, but very noticeable on a 45acp.
Do you hand load ? Reason I ask is, I've found I can shoot my hand loads much more accurately than factory ammo.
I usually feed my 1911 45's either 185gr or 200gr. SWC bullets, & get much better accuracy than I get with 230gr RN loads.
I'll suggest that you lube the trigger well (not saying soak it ) and practice dry firing your pistol,
keeping eyes on sight alignment when the hammer falls. Practice helps.. Happy shooting!
I don't reload but my friend STI does, he's really amazing at it, cast his own bullets, everything, makes me sad I didn't start 5-6 years ago when I was just on the verge of pulling the trigger on all that stuff, sorry for the cornyness but just kept procrastinating. Regret it now but I do shoot 9mm in matches that are hand loaded by a local guy to me, still makes power factor but 150 FPS give or take less than factory 115 Gr fmj's similar to Federal Syntec 150 gr action pistol ammo, the red bullet stuff. Early on I might have shot 22's better, never compared. But after lots of matches and time I the range, when we shoot groups, we have these targets called dot torture, nine different drills, object to keep all rounds in the 3" circle, start at ten feet and as you complete 100% just keep backing up. Now I'm 65, not as steady as used to be but at 15' way harder than you would think to keep all rounds in the circle, this free style, strong hand and support hand from the draw or low ready, my groups are the same, 9 or 45, the recoil doesn't bother my accuracy, good trigger pull and grip either caliber same results, steadiness is my downfall, if I'm shaking a little those 3" dots look awful small, would I do better with 22, I doubt it, others can't speak for but regardless of what I shoot, as long as I have good trigger pull and grip if I'm steady it goes where aimed, recoil is after the fact, I've really never considered recoil and I'm not trying to sound like some awesome bullseye shooter, I suck at groups, like I said just don't consider recoil an issue. Now early on, recoil May have been an issue, anticipating it, maybe but when shooting I've never had the thought recoil gonna mess's up my accuracy, geez this a ramble hope this sounds halfway understandable
 

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Actually mm1911.. my comments were addressed to jrthe1
in response to his comments on his first range outing with his S/A Range Officer.
and his comments re; his Ruger Mark II Target..
 

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Actually mm1911.. my comments were addressed to jrthe1
in response to his comments on his first range outing with his S/A Range Officer.
and his comments re; his Ruger Mark II Target..
♂️Sorry
 

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Actually mm1911.. my comments were addressed to jrthe1
in response to his comments on his first range outing with his S/A Range Officer.
and his comments re; his Ruger Mark II Target..

Hey joepistol. I have a wide variety of firearms in a wide variety of calibres. I kind of look at each one as having a purpose. Home defense/nightstand/, home defense for WTSHTF, conceal carry fall/winter/early spring, conceal carry spring/summer, vehicle dedicated, plinking, and target practice. I practice with all of them but not as much as I should. I can tell you that aiming center mass with any of them, I am proficient enough to say with confidence that any bad guy would be in serious trouble at reasonable proximity.

I have a little 380 auto with short barrel. Talk about snappy and muzzle flip! But it serves it's purpose for the right occasion.

I do not do my own loads and can see what you're saying. I will heed your advice on trigger lube and dry firing with the 1911.

The guy that sold me the Ruger MKII slab side also gave me about 8000 rounds of 22lr so you probably know what I will be shooting most. :cool:

Thanks.
 

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" I have a wide variety of firearms in a wide variety of calibres."

I've come to believe this is both a Blessing, & a curse..having multiple pistols in a variety of calibers & sizes...never shoot any one enough to become too familiar with it.. the lure of variety has me shooting different pistols every range trip.
Never heeded the advice found in the saying.. " beware the man who owns one gun..he probably know how to use it.."

If I got rid of 90% of my pistols ( or other firearms) I'd surely shoot the 10% I had left a lot better.. But where's the fun in that ?
 

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The best would be a Ruger SR1911, which are perfect right out of the box. Any "better" trigger would be dangerous. About 800 bucks.
Recently Received my SR11. Beautiful, accurated, great gun. The black front sight good but opted to put a Tritium on and taking black front sight off very hard. Appears to be staked but got it off. New sight definitely will need fitting. The gun is great. Careful changing front sight.
 

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I have 8 1911 style guns, none had a good enough trigger right out of the box. Even the DW trigger pull was too heavy altho a good trigger, same goes for my Gold Cup. Had to boost a couple and replace the sear spring with a Colt spring. I have tried new guns with good triggers but never bought one.
 

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Hi there. Newbie here. Have Glocks and Rugers. Exploring 1911 and might be getting hooked already. Reading a lot. Read "If you were buying your first 1911 " several times. Seeking advice on $1000 or less guns out of the box with the best triggers. Thanks.
Kimber Raptor Pro II SS. $100 over a $1000 but well worth the price in every aspect. I have Glocks, Rugers, Sigs, and Smith's; but this Kimber stands way above my other guns.
 

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So after extensive reading in multiple forums, googling like a mad man, and deciding on what my needs are and what really turns me on, I stumbled across a super deal at Cabellas of all places. I will soon be the owner of a brand spankin new 5" Springfield Armory Range Officer Elite Target chambered in 45ACP! The deal was only there for a couple of days and inventory was limited. $1048 MSRP. Snagged it for $699. Comes with 4 mags, a range bag, a cheap holster, and a mag holder. Not only that, I had some gift cards I never used and no FFL transfer fees at Cabellas. Net, net $680.17.
"Every detail of the full-sized RO® Elite Target is engineered for accuracy. Forged steel match grade frame and slide are precision-fit for fluid-smooth function, armored with a self-lubricating Black-T® finish that shrugs off corrosion and extremes. The 5-inch stainless steel, match grade barrel, fully adjustable rear target sight, fiber optic front sight, and smooth Gen 2 trigger ensure target-drilling performance. GI recoil system, custom thin-line G-10 grips and ambidextrous safety complete a form with the fit, feel and balance to dominate the range." Can't wait.
Have both 4" and 5" and they are great guns. Accurate, great feel.
 

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I have a Dan Wesson Specialist in 9mm and an STI 9mm 2011 race gun. Both have sub 2 lb triggers and I shoot both of them much better than my other 1911's with heavier triggers. For me, a light trigger makes a big difference in accuracy - maybe I need more work on trigger control but I shoot a couple thousand rounds a month plus a fair amount of dry fire so I think it probably is what it is!
 

nicalaex

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Hi there. Newbie here. Have Glocks and Rugers. Exploring 1911 and might be getting hooked already. Reading a lot. Read "If you were buying your first 1911 " several times. Seeking advice on $1000 or less guns out of the box with the best triggers. Thanks.
Springfield Range Officer Champion 9mm.. Great for first one. Since I bought that one I have purchased the 5" , Ruger SR11, Kimber Raptor II Pro SS 9mm ($100 0ver $1000). Raptor has best trigger over my Glocks, Sigs, Smith's,
and Ruger's.
 

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I have a Dan Wesson Specialist in 9mm and an STI 9mm 2011 race gun. Both have sub 2 lb triggers and I shoot both of them much better than my other 1911's with heavier triggers. For me, a light trigger makes a big difference in accuracy - maybe I need more work on trigger control but I shoot a couple thousand rounds a month plus a fair amount of dry fire so I think it probably is what it is!
You cast and/or reload? Half of what we did.bullet.jpgbullets
 
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