Hickok45 announces he can no longer support the NRA

[fflincher]

Wayne is an SOB, but he's MY SOB.

I've disagreed with him for decades about recruiting tactics and written him about them.

I hate the obnoxious opulence.

But...

We need to be able to compete against those who would strip us of our rights.

fflincher, Life Member NRA

 

[marinedoc]

I totally agree. Resigning doesn't help the ultimate purpose of the NRA. Hopefully they will get it together, and with all this publicity, I would guess they would. We don't want to fall down the rabbit hole like the 2018 election. People voted out Republicans they didn't want to stay in office because they weren't doing enough, and look what we got. I'm a life member, so irrelevant in my case, but dropping out of the NRA certainly won't promote the rights of gun owners and Second Amendment rights. They threw their support behind Trump, and will continue to do so. Better to bring about change than to simply walk away.

 

[Les White]

We all need to listen to the video. I think the way Hickok45 and his son put it is correct. They will be cheering from the sidelines and hoping for a positive outcome.

 

[Sk8r]

As a result of all of the recent internal controversies at the NRA Hickok45 and his son announced in their new video that they can no longer support the NRA.
The NRA has been embroiled in a number of scandals recently. Oliver North attempted to oust Wayne LaPierre earlier in the year. The fallout from that move continues to unfold in a series of lawsuits between media media contractor Ackerman McQueen and the NRA. The lawsuits allege financial improprieties from both sides.


https://blog.carbontv.com/2019/06/2..._source=dm&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ctv

The anti-2A crowd is loving controversy (true and fake) aiming to undermine the generally most effective 2A advocacy NGO that the NRA has been throughout its history. Rather than accepting suspect third party "media" accounts at face value and then trying to decide "who's wrong" in the NRA, I suggest pro 2A folks had best curb cannibal tendencies and instead scan the horizon for possible motives of antis, and support those on the " 2A ship" who need it most, such as the org and the still-standing exdir WLP.

There will be plenty of time for internal investigation and repair to leaks and flaws in the ship, but—as other posters have commented— being under attack is not the time to abandon ship, its the time to fight even harder for the ship.

 

[Sk8r]

I agree that it is time to pull the plug on LaPierre and his lavish life style. It is up to the board of directors to stand up and be heard. Fire everyone that is connected to this problem. If LaPierre was sincere about the 2nd he would simply resign.

Not necessarily, especially if he's not guilty. Blackmail and smears are gangster and communist tactics to attack enemies and have no place in our constitutional republic, in which a patriot will stand his ground.

 

[Sk8r]

It's time for Wayne LaPierre to be fired, this crisis is one of his creation. OUR NRA is being destroyed from within and it's predominately Wayne's fault! His outrageous salary is but one example of his disregard for OUR NRA. It is absurd in the best of times but made more so since the organization is in huge debt. No golden parachutes, no multimillion dollar salaries, no nepotism. NRA needs to run like a business! It should be a meritocracy and all pay should be performance based not a license to steal based on self serving individuals! Fire Wayne NOW!

Not necessarily, especially if WLP is not guilty. Blackmail and smears are gangster and communist tactics to attack enemies and have no place in our constitutional republic, in which a patriot will stand his ground.

 

[Sk8r]

I was a big supporter of the Wounded Warrior Project. But as often happens when people have control of "free money" they get greedy; lavish meals, vacation style travel and first class accommodations at luxury resorts. They soon forget their real purpose in being there. They cleaned up their act and ousted a lot of people that were abusing the system, but I don't think they have completely recovered from the scandal. Apparently the same thing has happened to the NRA. When there's no serious accountability of money spent it's easy to cross over that moral line. It's easily rationalized by saying that they are underpaid or not paid at all, so therefore any money spent lavishly is their just due. This can include meetings at 5 star resorts with their family, first class travel and loosely monitored expense accounts. When it all falls apart, usually by those involved in the organization but not quite on the real insider group, there is a lot of residual damage difficult to repair.

Unfortunately bureaucracies including those in and around our national capitol area are full of thuggish people, and they are the ones who need to go, not those who stand up against them. As awful as our system is, it is the least worst, to paraphrase Churchill.

 

[Sk8r]

We need an effective NRA now more than ever. Is anyone aware of the bylaws well enough to mount a grassroots solution?

"Brave Heart rebellion" directed at ourselves is not necessarily a great solution, especially if WLP is not guilty. We need to not fall for the blackmail and smear gangster and communist tactics which have no place in our constitutional republic. Under such an attack a patriot will stand his ground.

PS: would not be surprised if we eventually find out that co-conspirators in the alleged attempt to blackmail WLP are actually supported by those with anti 2A agenda.

PPS: I used to enjoy the pro 2A entertainment that H45 provided but he is showing lack of courage; his and son's statement is like that of a team member who decides he's going to take off his uniform, put down his weapons, and "cheer from the sidelines" because he sees that the enemy has launched an offensive attack,... is he a member of the team or not? (Similar analogy for boat situation; passenger decides to jump out of boat because he sees sharks are circling it, LOL). Last I checked this is not a choice made by a
confident citizen; it is the choice of a fearful subject.

 

[buster3168]

So who cares what Hickock45 thinks? Has he been around the last 148 years protecting our rights? Any group or organization is going to experience controversy from time to time. Look at Congress! We as NRA members have to stick together now as never before! If anyone wants to run and hide that speaks volumes about them in my opinion! The Liberals aren't going to! Turning your back on the NRA just helps the enemy!

 

[Rooster]

It's time for Wayne LaPierre to be fired, this crisis is one of his creation. OUR NRA is being destroyed from within and it's predominately Wayne's fault! His outrageous salary is but one example of his disregard for OUR NRA. It is absurd in the best of times but made more so since the organization is in huge debt. No golden parachutes, no multimillion dollar salaries, no nepotism. NRA needs to run like a business! It should be a meritocracy and all pay should be performance based not a license to steal based on self serving individuals! Fire Wayne NOW!

That's the problem. The NRA IS being run like a BIG business. They pay their senior execs insane money for their .disproportionate contributions. They take the lavish expense route for meetings etc.

A small business man would never dream of behaving so irresponsibly. I don't know if it's Wayne or more than Wayne . But there doesn't seem to be a sense of accountability. The only thing I see from them is requests for money and issues to call my state senator.

 

[Pandaz3]

I quit the NRA at least twice before, but now I'm a lifetime member for better or worse. I have hedged my bet by joining the GOA, NAGR, 2AF

2AF (Second Amendment Foundation) Files and wins lots of lawsuits

 

[gregorydesigns]

This is a problem that another president of the NRA tried to address twenty years ago. Like Ollie, he was ousted because he exposed Wayne Lapierre's corruption. That president of the NRA was replaced with Charleton Heston. This isn't new, and it either stops or we lose an organization that served us well...


Until Wayne became dictator.

 

[WaddellAZ]

I agree that it is time to pull the plug on LaPierre and his lavish life style. It is up to the board of directors to stand up and be heard. Fire everyone that is connected to this problem. If LaPierre was sincere about the 2nd he would simply resign.

I find it more difficult every year to renew my membership in the NRA. The primary reason I do is to continue getting the magazine every month or so. My piddly ass membership amount makes only one difference to the NRA, Wayne LaPierre can order one more expensive scotch out of his hotel room bar. My opinion of Wayne Lapierre is he is laughable. As an emissary for gun owners, his persona precedes him and rational thinking folks more or less know he is a figurehead only and not a great advocate for guns and the NRA. After learning of his very lavish life style and the cat fighting with Oliver North, who I have little resect for, I am mostly certain I will not renew this year. If it is true Chris Cox has been fired also, then it is likely quite obvious the NRA good ol boys network is alive and thriving and will continue to squander money and good will for us gun owners.

 

[Bender]

Ive never been a big fan of Hickok. I don't dislike him, I've just never seen the attraction.

BoobTube follower numbers do nothing for me. Sheeple in droves don't impress me much.

 

[Jammer Six]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c61607d8190_story.html?utm_term=.27ee1ffd29db

 

[dkwinger]

I agree that it is time to pull the plug on LaPierre and his lavish life style. It is up to the board of directors to stand up and be heard. Fire everyone that is connected to this problem. If LaPierre was sincere about the 2nd he would simply resign.

I will continue to support the NRA, for now, but I completely agree. It's far past time for Wayne to go, in my opinion. There is so much more to this 2A fight than just "bluster" and "no". I believe the NRA needs to do much more to connect with the non-shooting public. Show them who we (and our families) really are and do more to push for getting guns out of the hands of the bad guys. We are getting lumped in with them and some of that is due to the NRA's tactics.

 

[Mike D]

Sanctuary loving, give it all away, socialist Dem's are the driving force behind 99% of our 2A threats, and a broken NRA just makes the mix worse. If they are to survive, and actually be a working force to save our rights, they need to fix in-house problems first.

 

[Sk8r]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...c61607d8190_story.html?utm_term=.27ee1ffd29db

We must learn to assess the origin and motivation of "news reports" The lead author of the article:

"Katie Zezima is a national correspondent covering drugs, guns, gambling and vice in America. She covered the 2016 election and the Obama White House for The Washington Post."

Hmmm, ya think this self-description sounds like a pro-2A personality?

 

[ButchA]

It's time for Wayne LaPierre to be fired, this crisis is one of his creation. OUR NRA is being destroyed from within and it's predominately Wayne's fault! His outrageous salary is but one example of his disregard for OUR NRA. It is absurd in the best of times but made more so since the organization is in huge debt. No golden parachutes, no multimillion dollar salaries, no nepotism. NRA needs to run like a business! It should be a meritocracy and all pay should be performance based not a license to steal based on self serving individuals! Fire Wayne NOW!

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My thoughts exactly... I quit the NRA long ago after I started looking into things on my own and going, "Hey, wait a minute now..."

I will immediately renew my NRA membership as soon as LaPierre is gone...

 

[Jammer Six]

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/26/7362...ends-lobbyist-resigns-a-new-hill-probe-begins

For me to rejoin, LaPierre and Nugent both need to be removed from any position and there needs to be a public method instituted for instructors to change the curriculum of the classes.