ltrain7281
Well-Known Fanatic
Hello everyone,
I want to first thank you to all the moderators and staff that started and run this sight. Thank you all for making this a great site for people like myself to ask questions and get honest feedback from actual shooters. Over the last several years I have got to meet a great deal of you guys and realize that most of you take your shooting very serious which is why I always like to put these topics on BoomerShooter and get your guys opinions.
Something I have been thinking about lately and am wanting to start up at OFGC is a new outlaw match that will use just a pistol and rifle, a 2 gun match. Now I will tell you why I wanted to start this match, I have been shooting USPSA matches now for 4 years and since then I watched the 3gun and multigun matches at our club on tv and on youtube. These look to be extremely fun but over the last two years I have heard a lot of complaints from different shooters of all skill levels about these matches. Several of the most common complaints are: Shotguns and all the gear associated with this gun, scoring or the lack of accuracy, all the running that a lot of the matches are incorporating into their stages, and last but not least is the complexity of the stages that require you load your shotguns with different ammo (slugs, buckshot, birdshot) and engage targets that require that particular ammo.
Now I do not want to get a turd storm started between the 3gun crowd and the USPSA crowd. What I want is a good discussion between both sides about what type of rules/regs, and stages you would like to see in just a two match.
I brought this topic up this past week at our monthly practical pistol meeting as I wanted to hear what some of our seasoned shooters would like to see. Here is some of the points that they made that they would like to see in a 2 gun match. These are in no particular order.
1. K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid, We do not want this to be complicated match, we want this to be a match that makes you a better shooter with your pistol and your rifle.
2. Scoring will be standard USPSA minor scoring for all divisions.
3. Divisions- (KISS strategy applied) only Open and Limited divisions.
A. Open division- Pistol with a red dot, no limit on mag capacity. Rifle can have two sights of whatever configuration. EX. main optic is magnified and secondary sight is an offset red dot or set of irons. Magnifiers that flip out of the way with a normal red dot sight are also included in open division. EX. magnifier with and Aimpoint or Eotech.
B. Limited division- Pistol only has iron sights- Mag capacity of 15 in the mag and 1 bullet in the chamber at the start signal. Rifle can only have one sight of any kind.
C. Mag capacity for Rifle is only 30 round mags and smaller. You can couple them together with other mags if so desired. No 40-50-60-100 or drums allowed.
4. Stages (KISS strategy applied)- Some stages will require the use of both guns and some stages will only require one gun, basically the match will have some pistol only stages and rifle only stages and then some stages will require you to use both guns.
5. This is a shooting match NOT a track meet! If you enjoy running you are a sick individual and need to seek help. Joking aside this is a shooting event and we want to test how fast you can pull the trigger and still hit what you are aiming at not run 50 or 100 yards and not pass out.
These are just a few of the points that were made the other night at our meeting. What I would like now is get the shooters here on this website engaged and see what you all would like to see and shoot. We are not trying to re-invent the wheel here what we want to do is have a sport that uses the two most popular guns that everyone seems to enjoy shooting and keep it simple and safe.
So everyone get your popcorn and drinks out and let hear what you would like to shoot.
Thanks,
Loren
Also, Mods I wasn't for sure which section to put this topic in, so if this need to be in a different thread or area please let me know and I will try to copy and paste to that section.
I want to first thank you to all the moderators and staff that started and run this sight. Thank you all for making this a great site for people like myself to ask questions and get honest feedback from actual shooters. Over the last several years I have got to meet a great deal of you guys and realize that most of you take your shooting very serious which is why I always like to put these topics on BoomerShooter and get your guys opinions.
Something I have been thinking about lately and am wanting to start up at OFGC is a new outlaw match that will use just a pistol and rifle, a 2 gun match. Now I will tell you why I wanted to start this match, I have been shooting USPSA matches now for 4 years and since then I watched the 3gun and multigun matches at our club on tv and on youtube. These look to be extremely fun but over the last two years I have heard a lot of complaints from different shooters of all skill levels about these matches. Several of the most common complaints are: Shotguns and all the gear associated with this gun, scoring or the lack of accuracy, all the running that a lot of the matches are incorporating into their stages, and last but not least is the complexity of the stages that require you load your shotguns with different ammo (slugs, buckshot, birdshot) and engage targets that require that particular ammo.
Now I do not want to get a turd storm started between the 3gun crowd and the USPSA crowd. What I want is a good discussion between both sides about what type of rules/regs, and stages you would like to see in just a two match.
I brought this topic up this past week at our monthly practical pistol meeting as I wanted to hear what some of our seasoned shooters would like to see. Here is some of the points that they made that they would like to see in a 2 gun match. These are in no particular order.
1. K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid, We do not want this to be complicated match, we want this to be a match that makes you a better shooter with your pistol and your rifle.
2. Scoring will be standard USPSA minor scoring for all divisions.
3. Divisions- (KISS strategy applied) only Open and Limited divisions.
A. Open division- Pistol with a red dot, no limit on mag capacity. Rifle can have two sights of whatever configuration. EX. main optic is magnified and secondary sight is an offset red dot or set of irons. Magnifiers that flip out of the way with a normal red dot sight are also included in open division. EX. magnifier with and Aimpoint or Eotech.
B. Limited division- Pistol only has iron sights- Mag capacity of 15 in the mag and 1 bullet in the chamber at the start signal. Rifle can only have one sight of any kind.
C. Mag capacity for Rifle is only 30 round mags and smaller. You can couple them together with other mags if so desired. No 40-50-60-100 or drums allowed.
4. Stages (KISS strategy applied)- Some stages will require the use of both guns and some stages will only require one gun, basically the match will have some pistol only stages and rifle only stages and then some stages will require you to use both guns.
5. This is a shooting match NOT a track meet! If you enjoy running you are a sick individual and need to seek help. Joking aside this is a shooting event and we want to test how fast you can pull the trigger and still hit what you are aiming at not run 50 or 100 yards and not pass out.
These are just a few of the points that were made the other night at our meeting. What I would like now is get the shooters here on this website engaged and see what you all would like to see and shoot. We are not trying to re-invent the wheel here what we want to do is have a sport that uses the two most popular guns that everyone seems to enjoy shooting and keep it simple and safe.
So everyone get your popcorn and drinks out and let hear what you would like to shoot.
Thanks,
Loren
Also, Mods I wasn't for sure which section to put this topic in, so if this need to be in a different thread or area please let me know and I will try to copy and paste to that section.