14 Dead In Colorado Theater Shooting

What the hell is going on here in the "USSA"?

I live way up here in the Socialist Republic of Moscowchusetts, but things are getting WAY out of control! They restrict us pretty good, but What happens when this kind of stuff happens here? I worry that the original state of the American revolution will become even worse from alll of this!
 
Just read in the Greenville Schmews how Internet orders were how this (previously) law abiding citizen "got his hands on" magazines and 6000 rds of ammo. Unless we instate a Deparment of Future Grime (as in Minority Report), how can we prevent such atrocious crimes except than to monitor and/or regulate ALL firearms related purchases?
 
Midnight Raver said:
What the hell is going on here in the "USSA"?

I live way up here in the Socialist Republic of Moscowchusetts, but things are getting WAY out of control! ...

Even though I live in SC, I've been financially supporting the Scott Brown campaign there. When things like this shooting happen, it becomes even more important to keep radical liberals such as Warren out of our Senate. Hope everyone has thought about supporting pro-gun Senate candidates in other states.
 
cant stop it. there will be another train wreck, another airliner disaster and another terrorist hit.

what i dont get is all the moaning. dont we know for a fact he did it? tomorrow put him on the stand, convict him in his right to a speedy trial and then hang him. if that doesnt deter crime nothing will.
 
bigfutz said:
Just read in the Greenville Schmews how Internet orders were how this (previously) law abiding citizen "got his hands on" magazines and 6000 rds of ammo. Unless we instate a Deparment of Future Grime (as in Minority Report), how can we prevent such atrocious crimes except than to monitor and/or regulate ALL firearms related purchases?

Yeah, and while we're at it, let's do the same for all gasoline purchases, all chemical irritant precursors (like chlorine, bleach), and matches. Right?

On one hand, this was obviously a tragedy. On the other hand, thankfully he chose to use an AR-15 with a 100 round mag. News reports are now saving that the weapon "jammed." This is not surprising -- those huge mags are not known for their reliability. The body count could have been much higher had he used standard 20 or 30 round mags which tend to be much more reliable, or if he'd just chained the doors to the theater shut and burned it down. The attacker had the smarts to rig his apartment with booby traps so I guess it is fortunate he didn't rig a public location to blow with similar explosive and chemical devices.

From a CCW point of view this would have been a tough problem. I regularly carry what I think of as a credible combat handgun (Beretta 96 or S&W M&P) with a reload and often a flashlight and I have some training beyond the basic CWP course, and I still think this would have been a tough tactical problem... Lots of bystanders, restricted movement, lack of cover/concealment, dark room with opponent in black, attacker wearing body armor and helmet, attacker with a long gun, tear gas, smoke in the room which will highlight any lasers or flashlight beams is pretty close to a "worst case" problem. The only way that scenario could get worse would be with multiple attackers and a "complex attack" (i.e. explosives/fire/bombs in addition to the firearms). STill, given a choice between (A) freeze and die or (B) flee and die, having an option to fight back is nice.

Luckily, even though Cinemark theaters has a "no weapons" corporate policy, in CO such policies have no force of law unless you're asked to leave (then it becomes trespassing). That's a big difference from SC where you have to honor the "victim disarmament zone" gunbuster signs, or NC where carrying in theaters is just illegal. I suspect that bad guys like this attacker are probably not deterred by what is essentially a minor charge when they're plotting mass murder but the good guys sure are.

The better solution would have been getting mental health intervention early. His own mother didn't seem surprised that he was the guy so clearly there was some awareness that he had issues. I would not be surprised to find out that he's diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. In an "emergency" situation it is possible to have someone temporarily added to the NICS prohibited person list pending a full evaluation so a family member, teacher, faculty advisor, friend, or other person in this troubled young man's life could have stepped in well before the attack to make it more difficult for him to acquire weapons and to help him get mental health assistance.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/g ... ics-index/
 
bigfutz said:
Just read in the Greenville Schmews how Internet orders were how this (previously) law abiding citizen "got his hands on" magazines and 6000 rds of ammo. Unless we instate a Deparment of Future Grime (as in Minority Report), how can we prevent such atrocious crimes except than to monitor and/or regulate ALL firearms related purchases?

You can't. His purchases were monitored. He passed the all-mighty brady background more than once.

He only needed a couple hundred rounds, so I'm not sure why he bothered accumulating 6000 rounds. Even if someone somewhere starts monitoring on-line purchases, how can they investigate every person who buys one or two hundred rounds at a time. If he wanted to stay under the radar, he could purchase a few boxes at one store, drive down the road and purchase a few more, wash rinse and repeat.

It's time these people stopped blaming the object and started looking at the system that ignores these people until they flip out. Also, it's time helpless victims were allowed at least an opportunity to defend themselves, rather than being herded into a room under the fake security blanket of a gun buster sign on the door. I hope every single victim has a good lawyer that can make the theater pay for their sloppy and ineffective enforcement of their no-guns policy.
 
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He only needed a couple hundred rounds, so I'm not sure why he bothered accumulating 6000 rounds.
Because he is a nut job. People tend to make the mistake of thinking logic and common sense -- and laws and signs -- somehow apply to these loons.

... the system that ignores these people until they flip out.
Because we don't have a Dept of Future Crime. Our current system can do nothing until a person acts upon their tendiencies or at least threatens someone directly. Don't get me wrong, this is a tragedy, but who wants to live in a society where the authorities go around locking people up because they might do something?

... sloppy and ineffective enforcement of their no-guns policy.
If an establishment is going to have an anti-gun policy, they should enforce it like a couthouse does -- metal detectors and pat downs. Otherwise let local CWP laws apply.
 
John Canuck said:
I hope every single victim has a good lawyer that can make the theater pay for their sloppy and ineffective enforcement of their no-guns policy.

What sort of enforcement were you hoping for, given that, according to Colorado state law, posting the theater does not - quite reasonably, IMO - carry the force of law?

We could, of course, turn any place posted into TSA style checkpoints to ID people carrying concealed and evict them on trespassing grounds. :roll:
 
dreamerofdreams said:
John Canuck said:
I hope every single victim has a good lawyer that can make the theater pay for their sloppy and ineffective enforcement of their no-guns policy.

What sort of enforcement were you hoping for, given that, according to Colorado state law, posting the theater does not - quite reasonably, IMO - carry the force of law?

We could, of course, turn any place posted into TSA style checkpoints to ID people carrying concealed and evict them on trespassing grounds. :roll:

It was a tongue in cheek statement in case it wasn't obvious. I don't want them to enforce it in any way. I prefer they allow their customers to make their own decision in the matter. I still hope they are the recipient of 71 lawsuits for having such a stupid policy in place.
 
The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire power.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the investigation, said the disabled weapon had a high-capacity ammunition magazine.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-assault ... 34899.html

100 round drum magazines prone to jamming?
 
my hearing is bad but i thought i heard the news say the shotgun jammed and he went for a pistol. i did wonder where the AR was if he went for a pistol, and who CARES ANYWAY? i say even insanity is no defense. try him today convict him and hang him tomorrow. there is a difference if there is some kind of defense, but he doesnt have a real defense till a lawyer,and no not all of them, conjers something up. ( his shootin finger doesnt work, duh the glove doesnt fit, WELL HE IS THE JOKER who will be in the next movie?)

on the news today stupid news reportress asking stupid news reporter, well how does someone get that much ammunition?
i was screaming at the screen THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

THEN they are drilling the 13 year old who "tried unsuccsefully " to resitate the baby. she says she will never go to a theatre again. why not tell her that when she grows up, if we dont lose the 2nd ammendment, that she can get a permit to carry and stop that from happenning again, in her presence?

rant, rant rant.
sorry, i had a colonoscopy today. ive been drugged. or maybe its remembering the nasty crap i had to drink all day yesterday. ( everything came out alright) lolol
 
I'm glad this guy didn't study immediate and remedial actions as it applies to basic rifle marksmanship during all of his preparations. I wonder what kind of "jam" his weapon experienced? Double feed? Failure to feed? Bolt over-ride?

Unrelated, though, my first thought when I was hearing of the shooting was that he was trying to be a villain and was seeing if a "hero" would stand up to him, just like every superhero storyline. Made me think of that Bruce Willis movie "Unbreakable" where Samuel L. Jackson's character was causing mass casualty events to find a super-human that compared to his super-fragility.

I am highly desensitized to loss of human life, though. :oops:
 
The fictional mayor of Sniveling Weaselville is now smoking crack cocaine before he does an interview.

In unrelated news, NYC Mayor Bloomers was asked "why more Americans don't react to things like the Aurora Theater shooting with demands for more gun control"

"I would take it one step further. I don't understand why police officers across this country don't stand up, collectively, and say, 'We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... Their-Guns
 
if the police are fired it wont take long for people other than "us" that they need a gun so ownership would increase but shootings would probably increase too.
 
John Canuck said:
In unrelated news, NYC Mayor Bloomers was asked "why more Americans don't react to things like the Aurora Theater shooting with demands for more gun control"

"I would take it one step further. I don't understand why police officers across this country don't stand up, collectively, and say, 'We're going to go on strike. We're not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what's required to keep us safe."

Yeah, sure...

the gun grabs in the UK and Australia worked so well to help crime diminish too. :roll:


NOT!!!
 
Excerpt from below link which echoes what has been previously expressed here:

"It has already been well established that Barack Obama never lets a "serious crisis go to waste." So, if anyone doubts he'd do it, let's not forget that Obama has already done something about illegal immigration; he's done something about healthcare, the economy, the deficit, and a few 'outdated' laws. Now, after a psychotic mows down 12 people in a movie theatre and wounds 58 more with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, he wants to "do something" about the serious crisis of violence in America.

Americans should know that for years, in addition to restricting other freedoms, the President has had his eye on curtailing Second Amendment rights. Based on the basic Cloward-Piven strategy the President adheres to, which teaches that a solution created in the midst of a crisis is more likely to be accepted by a nervous public, right now is the perfect time to solve the problem of violence with a radical fix.

Therefore, with a fresh crisis afoot that has captured the attention of the nation immediately following a horrific gun-related tragedy, why not "do something about...senseless violence" by using it as justification to further limit second amendment rights?

After all, Barack Obama has been huddled together in secret with Russia, China, newly Socialist France, and Britain writing the UN Arms Trade Treaty."


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... z21aLHPaP4
 
Parhams0508 said:
Treedodger said:
...Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, ...

An AR-15 is no longer classified as an assault rifle. Should have put [sic] after that quote.

And it never was! The AR-15 has been termed an "assault weapon" because it is a semiautomatic firearm possessing some scary looking cosmetic features. An "assault rifle" is a fully automatic version, like an M16. It is functionally (not just cosmetically) different. I think it is important to be precise in that "assault rifle" means a substantive difference whereas "assault weapon" is a made up category with arbitrary, emotional, and meaningless criteria attached to its definition. The anti-gunners play on public confusion between cosmetic and substantive differences so it is up to us to educate and dispel confusion:

"Assault weapons?just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms?are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons?anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun?can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."
-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988

(Josh Sugarman is a notorious anti-gun activist)
 
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