Federal 12ga minis.

[Mike A1]

For fast close up work without too much recoil & still put down any threat quickly, these look interesting.
The question. How do they feed & function in the 12ga shotguns in use today?
I would want to use them in a older Ithaca Mod 37 Police 12ga with Slam fire capabilities.

How about a Remington Mod 1100 deer slayer?
Can you feed, fire & eject a .44mag from a .444 Marlin rifle? I don't know, never tried it.

Anyone have any experience with the Federal shorties?

Federal Premium Personal Defense Shorty Shotshell 12ga 1-3/4" Force X2 #00 Buckshot 6 Pellets 10/Box

Brand: Federal Premium Ammo | MPN: PD129FX2 00 | Use: Defense | Gauge: 12 | Shell Length: 1-3/4” | Shot Size: #00 Buck | Pellets: 6 | MUNITIONS EXPRESS

www.munitionsexpress.com

 

[dennishoddy]

No experience here. I'd have to look at the loads and speeds before making a decision.
I reload shotshells as I do shoot some trap and sporting clays.
Not as much as I'd like too but it's some distance to the nearest range that offers that sport.
Speculating here from many years of shotshell loading that they basically use a fiber wad in place of a plastic wad to make them shorter?
I came into possession of some 16 ga European shells several years ago that use the fiber wads. They are also shorter in length than US made shotshells. 2 9/16"long vs the 2 3/4" US versions.
From what I understand, plastic wads are not allowed in Europe as they consider them pollution. The fiber wads are biodegradable.
The shorter European shells run just fine through my Sweet 16 Browning. No telling how many quail, dove, and pheasant that shotgun has put in the freezer, so speculating once again, the mini's might cycle through there as well.

 

[Fred_G]

Just send me a few cases, will try them in the 870 Express, and more vintage Wingmaster and will let you know.

 

[Mike A1]

For me I just have too many boxes of 00 Buck in 2 3/4" to buy & try at the today price.

Good stuff!

Federal Power-Shok Ammo 12 Ga 2-3/4 Buffered 00 Buckshot 9 Pellets Box

Featuring Federal's Triple Plus wad technology, Power-Shok buckshot is proven to give you better shot alignment and hard-hitting performance in the...

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[barnetmill]

For fast close up work without too much recoil & still put down any threat quickly, these look interesting.
The question. How do they feed & function in the 12ga shotguns in use today?
I would want to use them in a older Ithaca Mod 37 Police 12ga with Slam fire capabilities.

How about a Remington Mod 1100 deer slayer?
Can you feed, fire & eject a .44mag from a .444 Marlin rifle? I don't know, never tried it.

Anyone have any experience with the Federal shorties?

Federal Premium Personal Defense Shorty Shotshell 12ga 1-3/4" Force X2 #00 Buckshot 6 Pellets 10/Box

Brand: Federal Premium Ammo | MPN: PD129FX2 00 | Use: Defense | Gauge: 12 | Shell Length: 1-3/4” | Shot Size: #00 Buck | Pellets: 6 | MUNITIONS EXPRESS

www.munitionsexpress.com

I have read a little about them mossberg at one time was selling an adapter so they feed in their pump shotguns. In the past I read they will not function in an 870, but are supposed to work in the winchester I think 1300 pump guns. I have never found any to try.

 

[Gunflint1]

For fast close up work without too much recoil & still put down any threat quickly, these look interesting.
The question. How do they feed & function in the 12ga shotguns in use today?
I would want to use them in a older Ithaca Mod 37 Police 12ga with Slam fire capabilities.

How about a Remington Mod 1100 deer slayer?
Can you feed, fire & eject a .44mag from a .444 Marlin rifle? I don't know, never tried it.

Anyone have any experience with the Federal shorties?

Federal Premium Personal Defense Shorty Shotshell 12ga 1-3/4" Force X2 #00 Buckshot 6 Pellets 10/Box

Brand: Federal Premium Ammo | MPN: PD129FX2 00 | Use: Defense | Gauge: 12 | Shell Length: 1-3/4” | Shot Size: #00 Buck | Pellets: 6 | MUNITIONS EXPRESS

www.munitionsexpress.com

I tried the Mini's and found they work great on Rats. But when it comes to really big Rats, I keep ARM "Gatekeepers" in my magazine.

 

[dennishoddy]

This thread got me to thinking about turkey hunting as the OP was about home defense. A big tom is territorial and might just charge you when the hens are in heat so one must protect themselves!
With all that silliness aside, the turkey hunting ammo producers keep building ammo that is faster and longer range as a consequence. There is also a saying in the fishing lure industry that pretty much matches what the ammo industry does.
The fishing lures with the bright colors, etc. are to catch the eye of the fisherman, not necessarily to catch the eye of the fish they hope it will.
I've killed more turkey than I can count with 2 3/4" #5 magnum loads. Never needed the 3" or 3 1/2" ammo.
The sport is to call them in close enough to ethically harvest vs long range shots of hunters that don't know how to properly call them into an ethical distance.
Just like bow hunters. The compounds vs the long bow folks.
For the record, I don't care what one uses as long as it's legal and ethical in your state, just relating to my experiences.

 

[barnetmill]

The Aguila were the first minis and those are what I was referring to in my previous post.
People just think that 4-5 rounds in a tube loading shotgun is not enough. In a rifle I like 20 round length magazines vs the 30's because the gun handles better and I just can not imagine needing more than 20 rounds with a semiauto weapon and with the shotgun 5 is usually enough and you can load as you shoot the gun.

 

[Mike A1]

I prefer a clean head shot, however sometimes you need raw messy power to get the job done.

A 12 gauge 2 3/4" shell with 9 #00 buck shot at 1200 fps is assume to behold.

You could replace your recoil spring & use sub loads for SD in you 1911, like a 180 gr slug @ 700 fps.
Nice soft load.

I have one 12 ga with a 3" chamber, all my loads are 2 3/4" just in case. I once got a great deal on an Ithaca Mod 37, it had a cracked chamber wall from the owner using 3" shells.

@barnetmill is right Aguila was the first I remember to offer the shorty's & I don't remember them taking off.
This is 2023 &n if this was going to fly, it would have caught on back in the 1990s yet all we see is a tease & no real world test.

Cartridges come & go like the famous Winchester in .375 big bore. I bought a brand new one & traded it in 3 months for a Marlin .444 & never looked back.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/remembering-the-375-winchester-cartridge/

 

[HooDoo Man]

Mossberg 500 Vang Comp 18 1/2" bbl. 2 3/4 00BK. 6" pattern a @ 15-20 yds. No more putting Humpy Dumpty back together again.

 

[Bob Lee]

The Aguila were the first minis and those are what I was referring to in my previous post.
People just think that 4-5 rounds in a tube loading shotgun is not enough. In a rifle I like 20 round length magazines vs the 30's because the gun handles better and I just can not imagine needing more than 20 rounds with a semiauto weapon and with the shotgun 5 is usually enough and you can load as you shoot the gun.

I have 2 870 cop guns, one has an extended tube the other one is stock. I prefer the shorter tube because for me it seems to balance better.

 

[barnetmill]

I have 2 870 cop guns, one has an extended tube the other one is stock. I prefer the shorter tube because for me it seems to balance better.

There are reasons for the shape and overall profile the pump shotgun prior to the tactical and tacticool things got going. One reason I like a standard profile in a pump or semiauto shotgun is the way it handles and instinctively points for me. At night if I can not see where the goblin is, but know where it is at, I can by pointing the gun have a good change of making a hit with pointing. I do not need rifle sights to do that.

 

[dennishoddy]

You do have to consider distances in home defense with any firearm.
Most if not all encounters will be at hallway distances. About 20' or less. At that range, a shotgun has a very small pattern. Most likely the wad has just dropped away and the shot column is about 1-2" in diameter even with a cylinder bore.
This is just my thinking but if one is attempting to clear a house with a shotgun, and you round a corner in the ready position, the invader only needs to grab the barrel to gain control of the situation. Same with an AR.
I'm going to clear my house with a pistol.
We also have night lights scattered around that cast shadows. If I'm coming down the hallway and there is not a light to one or the other side casting a shadow to the opposite wall, that is the direction to focus the attention because someone has unplugged the light or are blocking it. We have laid the furniture out with that purpose in mind.

 

[HooDoo Man]

Distance shots for Antifa or BLM.

 

[barnetmill]

You do have to consider distances in home defense with any firearm.
Most if not all encounters will be at hallway distances. About 20' or less. At that range, a shotgun has a very small pattern. Most likely the wad has just dropped away and the shot column is about 1-2" in diameter even with a cylinder bore.
This is just my thinking but if one is attempting to clear a house with a shotgun, and you round a corner in the ready position, the invader only needs to grab the barrel to gain control of the situation. Same with an AR.
I'm going to clear my house with a pistol.
We also have night lights scattered around that cast shadows. If I'm coming down the hallway and there is not a light to one or the other side casting a shadow to the opposite wall, that is the direction to focus the attention because someone has unplugged the light or are blocking it. We have laid the furniture out with that purpose in mind.

Good point. But not my intended use of a shotgun. To get inside the house, one has to get past the dogs and then to get physically inside the house. breakdown steel doors or break through windows that are noisy.
I have forested areas near my florida house and my little estate contains fruit orchards dispersed all about. At night I prefer the shotgun for nocturnal encounters.
House clearing or what is more properly fighting in structures is best legally and tactically carried out with a pistol. Also only do so when absolutely neccesary. If one contemplates doing such, learn the required skills that include ambidextrous use of weapons. While SBRs can be used for that, listening to some information from lawyers that I verified from US gov site, use of any NFA weapons is regulated by specific federal criminal codes. If any aspect of a shooting that uses an NFA item is ruled illegal by state or federal law, additional penalties can be applied to the sentence that vary from 10 years for an SBR and up to life imprisonment for a use machine gun. Shotguns with 18 inch barrels are ok.

 

[barnetmill]

Distance shots for Antifa or BLM.

I do have a link for an interesting video on antifa attacking peaceful christian demonstrators. But I am not sure if it is suitable for here. These guy, gals, and its were wearing some very heavy segmented armor.

 

[Bob Lee]

I do have a link for an interesting video on antifa attacking peaceful christian demonstrators. But I am not sure if it is suitable for here. These guy, gals, and its were wearing some very heavy segmented armor.

Never Ever underestimate your enemy

 

[barnetmill]

Never Ever underestimate your enemy

The antifa people are well armed and they train. They are also motivated.

 

[HooDoo Man]

The antifa people are well armed and they train. They are also motivated.

I love a good challenge. Especially from scum. I had a touch of training myself. Oh well.

 

[HooDoo Man]

I do have a link for an interesting video on antifa attacking peaceful christian demonstrators. But I am not sure if it is suitable for here. These guy, gals, and its were wearing some very heavy segmented armor.

There is the justification for AP. Head & pelvic shots help.