Jim cirillo's point of view

[FWoo45]

He's only part pitbull but I've seen him with three tennis balls in his mah. I'll let you guys figure out what end is more dangerous. Unless you're a tv remote or a flip flop, then they both are.

 

[Zipper046]

I am, of course, no expert on ballistics....and therefore cannot argue scientifically about 1 caliber vs another, or one bullet style vs another. Bullets are funny things when they hit flesh & bone. I've seen entry wounds with exit wound in places I never thought they'd be....I've seen men hit with multiple rounds and keep going (whether on adrenaline, drugs, or whatever).

I always smile when I see YouTube tests with ballistic gelatin and folks proffering why 1 round does better than another....the unfortunate thing with gelatin is that it doesn't move...If you are shooting at a live target, it may possibly move...even a fraction of an inch...in one direction or another, which may alter the bullets entry/exit trajectory...stationary gelatin not so much.

I love seeing newer bullet styles and types. saw one a while back that was all copper....RIP bullets - Radically Invasive Projectile...wicked/nasty looking little sucker. Not sure how it is ballistically...but an interesting evolution in bullet design for sure.

I guess for me, the key is....what size, weight, style bullet can you accurately put on target multiple times quickly given your limitations (if any)....oh, and I like BIG holes and a good solid THUMP for recoil (at least til I get a bit older, LOL).

 

[boatdoc]

I am, of course, no expert on ballistics....and therefore cannot argue scientifically about 1 caliber vs another, or one bullet style vs another. Bullets are funny things when they hit flesh & bone. I've seen entry wounds with exit wound in places I never thought they'd be....I've seen men hit with multiple rounds and keep going (whether on adrenaline, drugs, or whatever).

I always smile when I see YouTube tests with ballistic gelatin and folks proffering why 1 round does better than another....the unfortunate thing with gelatin is that it doesn't move...If you are shooting at a live target, it may possibly move...even a fraction of an inch...in one direction or another, which may alter the bullets entry/exit trajectory...stationary gelatin not so much.

I love seeing newer bullet styles and types. saw one a while back that was all copper....RIP bullets - Radically Invasive Projectile...wicked/nasty looking little sucker. Not sure how it is ballistically...but an interesting evolution in bullet design for sure.

I guess for me, the key is....what size, weight, style bullet can you accurately put on target multiple times quickly given your limitations (if any)....oh, and I like BIG holes and a good solid THUMP for recoil (at least til I get a bit older, LOL).

just like real estate it is LOcation,location,location. so much happening to process and then perfomr thebest we can. like you said ,it is not gelatin, perps move. I like Cirillos point of view as he had been there done that.

 

[Zipper046]

just like real estate it is LOcation,location,location. so much happening to process and then perfomr thebest we can. like you said ,it is not gelatin, perps move. I like Cirillos point of view as he had been there done that.

Agreed! Yeah...i like Cirillo...BTDT kinda guy...wonder what his take would be in todays world? If the things that he developed and experienced are still applicable as is or should be altered in some way?....either way, the man has solid foundational advice that i feel will last for decades...