The 2013 Assault Weapons Ban Thread

benjamin-benjamin said:
i can't believe CNN published this... this has to be the most impractical, never going to happen, not capable of happening idea yet..
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/opinion/shane-smarter-guns/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
This is the craziest thing I've ever read. This guy needs to get back on his meds.



Make guns smart
By Jeremy Shane , Special to CNN
updated 10:36 AM EST, Wed January 9, 2013


CNN.com





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Today's guns are "dumb," Jeremy Shane says, but he suggests we can make them smarter and safer with the right software.


Editor's note: Jeremy Shane, who served in the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration, has led ventures in online media, energy and education.
(CNN) -- Voices across the political spectrum are debating how to prevent mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Connecticut. Familiar ideological lines are being redrawn. Some want to renew the ban on assault weapons and expand waiting periods to buy a gun. Others want to place armed guards in schools. And then there is the challenge of preventing guns from falling into the hands of the mentally ill.
While the debate rages on, it's worth thinking out of the box for a moment. What if we could design guns to be smarter and safer -- with hardware and software? The right technology could neutralize the killing capability of an assault weapon, even in a madman's hands.
The root of the problem is that guns are "dumb." Pull the trigger and they discharge bullets mindlessly, regardless of who is doing the aiming or where they are aimed. Guns should "know" not to fire in schools, churches, hospitals or malls. They should sense when they are being aimed at a child, or at a person when no other guns are nearby.
Hardware fixes alone -- such as a ban on extended clips -- may mitigate carnage in an assault, but they will not change the risk that an event happens at all if the person holding the gun wants to harm others. Addressing that challenge with reliable precision requires a hardware and software solution.
Many complex products have been transformed by safety-enhancing technology. Look at airplanes, which have layers of computer-controlled safety features to temper pilot error. Cars, increasingly, have sophisticated controls to override drivers and avoid collisions. Guns, too, can benefit from technological advances.
Opinion: Take politics out of gun research
After the Newtown shooting, a number of Silicon Valley leaders signed the "Demand a Plan" petition for new gun laws. It is good to know how strongly they feel about tougher regulation. It would be even better if they would invest their know-how and wealth to create a new kind of gun control -- the software kind.
How might this work? Start with locational "self-awareness." Guns should know where they are and if another gun is nearby. Global positioning systems can meet most of the need, refining a gun's location to the building level, even within buildings. Control of the gun would remain in the hand of the person carrying it, but the ability to fire multiple shots in crowded areas or when no other guns are present would be limited by software that understands where the gun is being used.

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Hoover: 'We do not need more guns'



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Looking beyond assault weapons ban



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Jones: 'We will not relinquish' guns


Guns should also be designed to sense where they are being aimed. Artificial vision and optical sensing technology can be adapted from military and medical communities. Sensory data can be used by built-in software to disable firing if the gun is pointed at a child or someone holding a child.
Building software into guns need not affect gun owners' desire to protect their homes. Trigger control software could be relaxed when the gun is at home or in a car, while other safety features stay on to prevent accidental discharges. Guns used by the police would be exempt from such controls.
Finally, guns should be designed to broadcast their location when they are loaded. Police could see if high-powered assault weapons are entering or getting close to a public place. Gun owners, too, could choose to broadcast their guns' locations publicly to increase deterrent effect.
Couldn't gun software be hacked? Perhaps, but the risk can be reduced by open-sourcing code, requiring software patch downloads, and notifying gun makers or law enforcement if software is disabled. Open-sourcing code is not foolproof, but it will build a community of lawful gun owners and code writers who value safety and Second Amendment rights. Enabling two-way communication between guns and their original makers will help guns to be tracked beyond the initial sale, putting greater long-term responsibility on gun makers.
Developing gun software and hardware adaptations could be hastened through a Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency-style program. This Defense Department agency tries to solve difficult warfare challenges with cutting-edge ideas. It gave us GPS, among other things. In the private sector, rewards can be offered for specific technological achievements, such as what the X Prize Foundation has been doing. Gun makers, gun retailers, even the National Rifle Association could underwrite a similar prize.
Gun software could be phased in, starting with the most lethal assault rifles. Today's guns are componentized, creating possibilities for a vibrant aftermarket, with add-ons tested and certified by a consortium of gun makers or responsible gun owners.
Technology cannot end depravity or violence, but it can limit the evil a person can inflict on others. After this latest heart-wrenching massacre, enacting new laws may help us feel like we have done something. But smarter technology may actually do a lot more.
 
Burk Cornelius said:
This is what we should be more concerned about than a Senator or Representative voting for any infringement on our rights. Executive Orders are used when he (Obama) can't get it passed the old fashioned (constitutional) way

White House could act without Congress as part of gun control plan

http://youtu.be/aNjxzFgKcHY

Biden and Obama aren't worried about getting reelected. That worries me
I say let them go for it. The more ground they go for the better...
 
dennishoddy said:
This is the craziest thing I've ever read. This guy needs to get back on his meds.


Make guns smart
By Jeremy Shane , Special to CNN
updated 10:36 AM EST, Wed January 9, 2013
CNN.com




130108112631-shane-smart-guns-story-top.jpg
Today's guns are "dumb," Jeremy Shane says, but he suggests we can make them smarter and safer with the right software.


Editor's note: Jeremy Shane, who served in the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration, has led ventures in online media, energy and education.
(CNN) -- Voices across the political spectrum are debating how to prevent mass shootings such as the one in Newtown, Connecticut. Familiar ideological lines are being redrawn. Some want to renew the ban on assault weapons and expand waiting periods to buy a gun. Others want to place armed guards in schools. And then there is the challenge of preventing guns from falling into the hands of the mentally ill.
While the debate rages on, it's worth thinking out of the box for a moment. What if we could design guns to be smarter and safer -- with hardware and software? The right technology could neutralize the killing capability of an assault weapon, even in a madman's hands.
The root of the problem is that guns are "dumb." Pull the trigger and they discharge bullets mindlessly, regardless of who is doing the aiming or where they are aimed. Guns should "know" not to fire in schools, churches, hospitals or malls. They should sense when they are being aimed at a child, or at a person when no other guns are nearby.
Hardware fixes alone -- such as a ban on extended clips -- may mitigate carnage in an assault, but they will not change the risk that an event happens at all if the person holding the gun wants to harm others. Addressing that challenge with reliable precision requires a hardware and software solution.
Many complex products have been transformed by safety-enhancing technology. Look at airplanes, which have layers of computer-controlled safety features to temper pilot error. Cars, increasingly, have sophisticated controls to override drivers and avoid collisions. Guns, too, can benefit from technological advances.
Opinion: Take politics out of gun research
After the Newtown shooting, a number of Silicon Valley leaders signed the "Demand a Plan" petition for new gun laws. It is good to know how strongly they feel about tougher regulation. It would be even better if they would invest their know-how and wealth to create a new kind of gun control -- the software kind.
How might this work? Start with locational "self-awareness." Guns should know where they are and if another gun is nearby. Global positioning systems can meet most of the need, refining a gun's location to the building level, even within buildings. Control of the gun would remain in the hand of the person carrying it, but the ability to fire multiple shots in crowded areas or when no other guns are present would be limited by software that understands where the gun is being used.

130108053234-pmt-dave-hoover-james-holmes-aurora-gun-legislation-00004325-story-body.jpg
Hoover: 'We do not need more guns'



130108094950-johns-biden-gun-group-00004203-story-body.jpg
Looking beyond assault weapons ban



130108030544-pmt-alex-jones-deport-piers-00015607-story-body.jpg
Jones: 'We will not relinquish' guns


Guns should also be designed to sense where they are being aimed. Artificial vision and optical sensing technology can be adapted from military and medical communities. Sensory data can be used by built-in software to disable firing if the gun is pointed at a child or someone holding a child.
Building software into guns need not affect gun owners' desire to protect their homes. Trigger control software could be relaxed when the gun is at home or in a car, while other safety features stay on to prevent accidental discharges. Guns used by the police would be exempt from such controls.
Finally, guns should be designed to broadcast their location when they are loaded. Police could see if high-powered assault weapons are entering or getting close to a public place. Gun owners, too, could choose to broadcast their guns' locations publicly to increase deterrent effect.
Couldn't gun software be hacked? Perhaps, but the risk can be reduced by open-sourcing code, requiring software patch downloads, and notifying gun makers or law enforcement if software is disabled. Open-sourcing code is not foolproof, but it will build a community of lawful gun owners and code writers who value safety and Second Amendment rights. Enabling two-way communication between guns and their original makers will help guns to be tracked beyond the initial sale, putting greater long-term responsibility on gun makers.
Developing gun software and hardware adaptations could be hastened through a Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency-style program. This Defense Department agency tries to solve difficult warfare challenges with cutting-edge ideas. It gave us GPS, among other things. In the private sector, rewards can be offered for specific technological achievements, such as what the X Prize Foundation has been doing. Gun makers, gun retailers, even the National Rifle Association could underwrite a similar prize.
Gun software could be phased in, starting with the most lethal assault rifles. Today's guns are componentized, creating possibilities for a vibrant aftermarket, with add-ons tested and certified by a consortium of gun makers or responsible gun owners.
Technology cannot end depravity or violence, but it can limit the evil a person can inflict on others. After this latest heart-wrenching massacre, enacting new laws may help us feel like we have done something. But smarter technology may actually do a lot more.
That guy has no idea how open source works. Besides, it would only take a few hours after release of such "technology" for some 12 year old kid to reprogram the thing and bypass all the "security and saftey features".

By far the most comical article I have seen in awhile. Laughable.
 
StealthESW said:
That guy has no idea how open source works. Besides, it would only take a few hours after release of such "technology" for some 12 year old kid to reprogram the thing and bypass all the "security and saftey features".

By far the most comical article I have seen in awhile. Laughable.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. If the federal government can't secure their network how do they expect to secure guns. Direct access to the hardware would take all of 10 mins for someone to hack and disable. Lol
 
Just saw this
The vice president said "an emerging set of recommendations" focuses on launching "universal" background checks, restricting high-capacity magazines and allowing federal agencies to do more research on gun violence. He revealed where the task force was headed a day after drawing outrage from Republican lawmakers by saying the administration might use "executive orders" to implement some policies.
So magazine capacity bans and "ZOMG GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE." If this is what they're leading with, I like our chances.
 
The one we have to watch carefully because it sounds innocuous to most people is "universal" background checks. I assume he is referring to all transfer of firearms, because we already have a background check when you transfer through an FFL.

The problem with "universal" background checks is that without total gun registration, it is virtually unenforceable
 
Burk Cornelius said:
The one we have to watch carefully because it sounds innocuous to most people is "universal" background checks. I assume he is referring to all transfer of firearms, because we already have a background check when you transfer through an FFL.

The problem with "universal" background checks is that without total gun registration, it is virtually unenforceable
Gun board classifieds would start seeing ads like "LNIB Glock 19 $350 NO NICS totally not wearing a wire!"
 
I wonder how "cheap" those background checks are going to be and who will pay?!? Also how are we going to connnect to the rest of the "Universe".
 
WideLoadTimmy said:
It's like everyone's caught stupidmotherfuckeritis or something. The more I read, the more I wanna just curse people out.
Don't go Alex Jones on anybody. He did nothing but hurt the cause. We must represent responsible gun owners well.
 
Dustin Cantrell said:
Don't go Alex Jones on anybody. He did nothing but hurt the cause. We must represent responsible gun owners well.
Oh, I know. I try to save my ranting for friends who know me and don't mind me venting a little bit for the most part. But this crap some people are spewing is ridiculous.
 
Dustin Cantrell said:
Don't go Alex Jones on anybody. He did nothing but hurt the cause. We must represent responsible gun owners well.
no doubt, if i was anti gun i would have invited him to an interview also..
 
benjamin-benjamin said:
no doubt, if i was anti gun i would have invited him to an interview also..
Piers Morgan handled it much better than Alex Jones. I can't believe I just said something positive about Piers Morgan. Piers picked out about the craziest pro gun person there could be and it worked to his advantage. Alex Jones is certainly far from an ambassador of responsible gun owners.
 
I have really been thinking about getting my class 3 license do you guys think that would help skip any stupid law that they come up with and, also I could go ahead and get a can to? Just want to do it before everyone might want to do the same then there would be even a longer wait time loger than the 6 months.


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