The 2013 Assault Weapons Ban Thread

poopgiggle said:
I don't think that small manufacturers like Rock River Arms contribute much to the GDP, and I imagine that lots of them can make decent money from LE sales.
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Yep. I posted somewhere talking about an EO, that even if it were overturned, it would take too long to get through the courts. Those like JP, DD, BCM, STAG, Larue, et al are going to cease to exist completely if they do something like that. The only ones that will make it are those that can support military contracts and that means the biggies like Colt, S&W and FN. Everyone else will go byebye. Most folks don't realize the the entire gun manufacturing industry won't make a pimple on the ass of the GDP. Compare S&W's numbers with any of the G.E.'s or Cokeacola's and you'll see they really ain't large at all. Practically a garage sized operation in comparison.

And that brings up a whole new issue. If the left got their way and decimated the gun manufacturing industry what would the military do? I mean really? It's not a far stretch to see how all of them could go bankrupt with this economy and regime. Well, FN is private so who knows? But look at the stock prices of Ruger and S&W and you'll see both of them well under $10. Then think of the quantity of product they are producing right now. They are running 24/7. Just a little more food for thought on this issue.
 
Scott Hearn said:
Yep. I posted somewhere talking about an EO, that even if it were overturned, it would take too long to get through the courts. Those like JP, DD, BCM, STAG, Larue, et al are going to cease to exist completely if they do something like that. The only ones that will make it are those that can support military contracts and that means the biggies like Colt, S&W and FN. Everyone else will go byebye. Most folks don't realize the the entire gun manufacturing industry won't make a pimple on the ass of the GDP. Compare S&W's numbers with any of the G.E.'s or Cokeacola's and you'll see they really ain't large at all. Practically a garage sized operation in comparison.

And that brings up a whole new issue. If the left got their way and decimated the gun manufacturing industry what would the military do? I mean really? It's not a far stretch to see how all of them could go bankrupt with this economy and regime. Well, FN is private so who knows? But look at the stock prices of Ruger and S&W and you'll see both of them well under $10. Then think of the quantity of product they are producing right now. They are running 24/7. Just a little more food for thought on this issue.
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If something does pass, I hope these manufacturers don't throw away their blueprints. The only way something gets passed and enforced is if we let it. The way I see it, the ball is in our court, what are we going to do about it?. I don't know why, but lately, I have been feeling a little enboldened lately.
 
Well, with the fact that the CIC can't run again, I think he is going to do what he wants.

I guess we will hear more tomorrow around noon.

Some people just can't see the forest for the trees. Take the words gun, assault weapons, and magazines out of this debate and what's left?
A bunch of people that want to what, dilute our rights as much as possible? Maybe. The real question is just how far the people will allow this to go.
The voice of reason is not going to be heard in this discussion, because it's fueled by emotion. We all know that once you introduce strong emotions into a discussion than logic is lost. Emotion and logic cannot coexist in this context.

This is not a win or lose issue. This should not be an issue at all. The BoR states very clearly that this right should not be infringed. Merriam-Webster defines infringe as :to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another. I think that has been done already.

The very documents that this nation is founded on are being diluted. Our politicians are confused by want they want and what will get them re-elected, with what is defined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. The worst part of this is that the people elected these officials. So, what does that say of us as "The People"?

Everyone in this argument is pointing fingers. The NRA points at the computer games and movie industries, the far left liberals are pointing at the gun advocates and the NRA, ect.. I blame our education system. They have failed to teach about our beginings on this continent and the importance of the documents that our country was founded on. This country is defined by those documents and without them, what are we really? It's sad that the very documents that were signed with great risk of life are being disrespected so openly. The sacrifices that were made by so many early Americans so we could be free to make our own choices are being ignored.
 
Please forgive me if this has already been posted here or in another thread...

Looks like NY restricted those large capacity 'clips' to 7 rounds.

Small excerpt from the full article, can be found halfway down.

"Residents are now restricted to purchasing ammunition magazines that carry seven bullets, rather than 10."
 
Analysis of the proposed legislation's viability in the Senate here
In a CNN report on the state of Congress’ appetite for new gun control measures, Reid’s quote tolerance for new gun control measures was described as “lukewarm.”

“The numbers around the country â€" most people favor having the ability of people to carry guns,” Reid told PBS Las Vegas on Friday. “The American people want us to be very cautious what we do.”

CNN quotes an anonymous House GOP aide who said that the lower chamber cannot act on gun control measures unless the Senate acts first. Reid was clear that he does not favor passing new laws “just to say we’ve done something.”
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CNN notes that Senate Democrats facing reelection in 2014 have recently become aware of their own vulnerability. A look at the electoral landscape heading into the 2014 midterms makes it clear why Senate Democrats would be trepidatious about passing new gun control measures.

21 Democratic seats, won in the 2008 pro-Democratic wave election, are up next year. Several Democrats have opted to retire or remain undecided as to whether they will run again in 2014. Six Democratic senators currently represent states which Mitt Romney carried when the national electorate was heavily Democratic. Midterm election years feature a smaller turnout than presidential elections, and the partisan makeup of the total electorate is usually more balanced.
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The thing now is for people in gun-loving states with Democratic senators (like Nevada, imagine that!) to remind their senators where their constituents stand on gun rights.
 
CICBHO really wants to do an end run around congress as they are just P__s ants in HIS way. Just like they did with massive voter fraud in his last re election in the all important swing states. The administration wants nothing less than total control over all facets of our lives and all the GDP going to those in charge at the Corporation (Govt). You can call, you can demand, you can plead with your "representative" (thats a real misnomer) all you like but until the publics mood becomes really, really ugly and (well you KNOW the rest of it dont you)
 
Here are something that disturbes me deeply. I'm watching Fox 25 in Okla, and they have a facebook question of the day, and the question today was: What do you think of the Presidents proposals.

This is the one I have a problem with:


"As an armed security officer and private citizen, my concern is only to have a hand gun and at least 2 extra clips. As long as I can buy service weapons, I don't have a problem with the proposals."

Its obvious to me, that he doesn't have a clue and is probably a troll that is an anti-gunner.

Its on that god-for-saken facebook, so consider the source.
 
dennishoddy said:
Here are something that disturbes me deeply. I'm watching Fox 25 in Okla, and they have a facebook question of the day, and the question today was: What do you think of the Presidents proposals.

This is the one I have a problem with:


"As an armed security officer and private citizen, my concern is only to have a hand gun and at least 2 extra clips. As long as I can buy service weapons, I don't have a problem with the proposals."

Its obvious to me, that he doesn't have a clue and is probably a troll that is an anti-gunner.

Its on that god-for-saken facebook, so consider the source.
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Talking about facebook...

"Imho, I couldn't care less on the results of this gun debate. I don't own a gun, haven't shot one in years or plan on being in a situation I would need to fire one.. much less to feel I need to fire more than 10 shots at one time. I do believe that's one of the things being looked at. If you can't kill or disable the person attacking you with 10 bullets, or kill the animal you're hunting with 10 bullets.. you shouldn't be using a gun. Otherwise, you're using that gun for sport.. shooting a piece of paper full of holes."

Couple comments later, from the same dude.

"4-7th amendment won't affect me. I haven't been in trouble, given one any reason to want in my home or vehicle. As long as I have my home and my job so that I can afford to sustain myself and enjoy life then I'm just fine."
 
What is the liberal obsession with adjustable stocks, pistol grips, thumb-hole stocks and forward grips? Do physical characteristics make a gun more "dangerous"

I know, I am preaching to the choir, but I feel better having said it..................
 
These people don't understand that without the 2nd they will have no rights! it's the only thing keeping the government at bay. I would have never thought back in 94 that ban would have gone thru, guess what it did! so when someone with a gun comes to so and so who doesn't see any problems with loosing guns and person with the gun tells them that they can't go to this church anymore! what are they going to do? tell the guy with the gun no you can't take my rights! yea I can see who will win that battle.

To many think they won't come for my rights so who cares about guns, well explain what happened back in 94 to a gun owner. Later,

Kirk
 
Burk Cornelius said:
What is the liberal obsession with adjustable stocks, pistol grips, thumb-hole stocks and forward grips? Do physical characteristics make a gun more "dangerous"

I know, I am preaching to the choir, but I feel better having said it..................
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Dianne Fienstine was shown a barrel shroud in an interview. (its illegal in her bill) She didn't have a clue what it was.....
 
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