Sandy Hook... a hoax?

[Tigerstripe]

watch list?

isnt that called
ndaa?

if you were videoed at a machine gun match, you made the list. or even on the forum.

im thinking all that write our reps made the list, and they didnt even open the letter.

skeptical of the "send your serial number" and we will send the letter for you. now they know where that ruger is for sure.

 

[PCShogun]

When I used the Ruger website, it did not ask me for a serial number. Handy, as I do not own a Ruger.

 

[Dave29461]

I also didn't get asked for a serial number. Where did you go ?

 

[kg4kpg]

I think he may have meant zip code since that is they way they would determine our representatives.

 

[Joker]

Just going back to the 9/11 post. Did you see the video "loose change"

 

[Tigerstripe]

When I used the Ruger website, it did not ask me for a serial number. Handy, as I do not own a Ruger.

sorry, i must have missread. thought it said give serial number.

i thought also everyone had a mark2 or a 10/22.

 

[PCShogun]

i thought also everyone had a mark2 or a 10/22.

Nope. I want one, but cannot afford the ammo

 

[Tigerstripe]

well its not my fault. i told you guys when PSA had cases of blazer 525 packs for $149.00.

i went one time with a problem with a deticated 22 upper id bought. they fixed it with a new trigger spring in the full auto. i bought 2 cases of 22s, a stripped upper, this and that so they just started handing me stuff free. a gas tube for the upper, i believe 2 22 mags, dont remember what else. bought the low profile gas block or they gave it to me.

 

[armaborealis]

The critical issue here is:
THE. TRUTH. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

The Batman theater shooter didn't use body armor. Most people think he did, and thus icky guns are useless for self defense, because that's how the media reported it.
Soldiers at Ft Hood weren't armed which is why a fanatical Islamist mowed down so many. Most people think they were, and thus icky guns are useless for self defense, because that's how the media reported it.

If that's not enough, Fast & Furious should have made it abundantly clear that the facts simply don't matter.

The police investigation records for CT have been sealed for 90 days. By that time, the initial reporting narrative will be so solidified that any facts like the police response time, exact weapons used, etc will be 100% irrelevant. Do you think a liberal urban soccer mom knows the difference between a "Bushwhacker" AR-15, a M&P 15-22 (.22 LR that looks like an AR), a Mossberg 500, or a "Sig Schnauzer" handgun? She doesn't know nor does she care: they're all icky scary guns to her, and learning anything about them beyond what she's told by the media would interfere with her Oprah and American Idol watching. Even if the facts are relevant they will not care or they will call you a hateful bigoted idiot for "playing games about irrelevant details when children are DYING RIGHT NOW!"

What is relevant is contacting your representatives, sending money to pro 2A organizations, joining pro 2A organizations, and getting other folks involved in the issue. Brady Campaign doubled their fundraising from 2011 to $5 million in the last 30 days alone. Second Amendmenf FOundation (#1 court case winning team for our side) needs to do the same. Mayors Against Illegal Guns claims 400K new members; NRA has only 100K. Ultimately this fight comes down to winning emotional arguments at dinner tables with uninformed people, motivating pro-2A folks to get active in the cause, and applying sufficient political force to legislators to remind them that they will be removed from office if they vote poorly. I don't see how the facts of what happened in CT affect any of those objectives.

I'm not saying to go out and tell abject falsehoods because "we are better than that." I am just saying that the details of the truth are not going to win any key political battles in this fight.

 

[Avtomat-Acolyte]

Sending money to the NRA didn't help our brothers-in-arms in New York.

The NRA is a gun safety, hunting and sport shooting promoter that happens to have lobbyists. They're not a magical talisman that protects the Bill of Rights.

 

[Tigerstripe]

i said it before the election.

vote and vote out every incumbant. i guess 50% of the voters dont know what incumbant means. (as if they heard and would listen to me) :lol:

 

[armaborealis]

Sending money to the NRA didn't help our brothers-in-arms in New York.

The NRA is a gun safety, hunting and sport shooting promoter that happens to have lobbyists. They're not a magical talisman that protects the Bill of Rights.

The NATIONAL Rifle Association doesn't focus on the state level. That is the job of the State associations. The New York STATE Rifle/Pistol Association was leading the fight up there. To be fair, NRA did help the Illinois State Rifle Pistol association shut down the ban they tried to rush through in the dead of night and was successful. Despite some state level reps in key states, though, their focus is still in Washington, DC.

Moreoever, NY rushed this through literally in the dead of night. Gov Cuomo had to declare a state of emergency to avoid a 3-day waiting period to rush this through before gun owners could mobilize coherent political opposition.

If you want to help NY now, join NYSRPA or the Second Amendment Foundation. We WILL lose more states. Kali, Maryland, Massachusetts, and Connecticut are all likely to pass draconian gun control in the near future. Their STATE Rifle associations and the SAF will be vital in mitigating the damage in those jurisdictions. We will very likely lose in the legislatures of those blue states full of Tories which is why SAF will take it to the courts.

NRA is going to be key in the fight in Washington DC on a national level and it is silly to think otherwise. You are correct though in that they're not a magical talisman, which is why I am also urging people to call their reps, write their reps, get their shooting buddies/family/friends involved, show up in person at relevant events, etc etc etc. Political power is going to be the vital issue here and that means motivating our guys to get involved.

 

[carolinalady83]

Im not saying there's a "conspracy" here, but do a youtube search on Sandy Hook shooting hoax. There's an unbelievable number of videos claiming it, some quite compelling, including this one which was sent to me... fwiw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXY ... ata_player

I watched this last night. It certainly raises a lot of questions.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this was planned or anything like that, but I 100% believe that some of the details pertaining to the truth have been manipulated to support an "assault gun" ban. There wasn't a shred of doubt that handguns were used at first and that the rifle was in the trunk, and then all of a sudden all that was used was the rifle. And now you have the video showing the memorial pages set up before the shootings occurred and the time stamps on some of the donation pages from Google's web cache...I don't want to jump to conclusions on that, but it needs to be addressed.

Most people aren't willing to rip the band-aid off the wound to take a serious look at this and cast it off as being the thinking of some crazy people. Maybe most of it is, I don't know, but some of it is worth a second look.