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Koda

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I have a dilemma and need opinions...

Brand new 1911, first time firing it and the POI is way off for me. I need the brutal truth if its just me or if this should go back to warranty repair.

the smaller 3" target was shot at from 3yds, the larger 8" target was shot at from 7 yards (forgive the two fliers, that was me...). Both standing, slow fire using a dead hold sight picture every shot right over the center bullseye. I'm less concerned about the windage but the low POI is too much for me.

Is it me or are the sights off? I dont have this problem with any other 1911, what would you do if your new one shot this way?

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Koda

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Assuming fixed sights, move the rear to the right and replace the front with a shorter one.

Yes, I should have mentioned but this is fixed sights. Im thinking the front one should be replaced under warranty repair.
 

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Agreed, but might be quicker and less hassle to just pay someone local or do it yourself. I would call the manufacturer and talk to them about it.
 

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try a bench rest first. you might be pulling the shots to the left and aiming low. some guns are not 6 o'clock holds. combat hold is closer to 12 o clock. if you get the same results, then contact the maKer
 

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You can push rear sight to the right or front sight to the left . I've got one that when I looked down at it I could see the front sight was not centered , so I had a friend with a good sight pusher center it up . As far as elevation you can either change sight , file it down , or just remember to show more front sight . JMO
 

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Sadly many non-custom pistols come out with POI#POA.

I had a RIA 1911 45acp that shot that same pattern out of the box. Moved rear. Filed front. Bingo. Great range gun.
 

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The grouping looks like a common shooter error that I make . I anticipate the recoil and pull slightly down and left. If you have another 45 that you shoot spot on, that probably isn’t the case.

Try a bench rest. Or see if another shooter gets the same results .

I usually see this phenomenon if I have not shot pistol in a long while.

I’m just curious, is your first shot closer to the point of aim than the rest of them?
 

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I agree. Looks like your not gripping strong enough and your pushing your shots. Have someone else shoot it. Most of the time shooting left is caused by squeezing the grip a little when you squeeze the trigger. Be sure to lock your wrist and turn your inner arms to face each other. That will give you the strongest platform to shoot
 

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The grouping looks like a common shooter error that I make . I anticipate the recoil and pull slightly down and left. If you have another 45 that you shoot spot on, that probably isn’t the case.

Try a bench rest. Or see if another shooter gets the same results .

I usually see this phenomenon if I have not shot pistol in a long while.

I’m just curious, is your first shot closer to the point of aim than the rest of them?

I have many other 1911s I shoot spot on, same scenario. Its not me.

From what Im reading here the front sight is not the right one for the gun and the gun was never zeroed at the factory.
 

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Try shooting with your support hand. Are shots landing the same place?
Benchrest the gun and shoot it. It will tell you a lot of information. POI will tell you a lot of info
Check and make sure you have good grip. Many shooters and instructors fail to effectively demonstrate this.
Does the 1911 have a bobtail?
Are you shooting a compact 1911?
 

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You never named manufacturer , doesn't matter . Sincerely doubt any manufacturer will sight gun in for you . Not hard , just do it yourself . Any smith should have a sight pusher . I've got more than one gun I have to show a little more front sight to raise point of impact . You've got good groups , wont take much to move it over .
 

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Sincerely doubt any manufacturer will sight gun in for you .

I can handle and forgive the windage being off, but personally wont accept any new gun that isnt zeroed on elevation with fixed combat sights. Not certain why anyone else would honestly.
 

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No disrespect to others opinions, however don't push your sights. Your target is similar to 100's of other targets and this has occurred with all different types of guns. As a trainer, I see a lot of different "experienced" shooters" who have had "lots of other handgun classes" and were "the best in their class". They grip very poorly and clench their hand right as the shot goes off pulling the gun to the left (R handed shooters). Because they are anticipating recoil they push forward by breaking their wrist throwing it low. So before you spend the time and effort in moving sights do some simple dry firing and determine if your pistol moves when you pull the trigger. Draw, bring the gun up to eye level and do 25 smooth trigger pulls in a row, perfectly. No movement on the front sight. Secondly I would let someone else shoot your gun. Let it be a range safety officer or another shooter to see where their shots hit. Dry fire, benchrest, different shooter - 90% of problems solved. The other 10% is ammunition, lubrication, gun.
 

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Why not try the bench rest and a different shooter? Easier than sending it back, possibly for nothing to be done by the manufacture.

I haven't read anything in this thread to suggest I'm affecting the POI. I didn't grip the gun wrong, flinch, pull, anticipate recoil. Any rare occasion I might, I know immediately it was me. As I stated above already the targets I showed represent me firing slowly and deliberately. I fired 2 mags worth on the small target, 4 mags on the bigger one a total of 42 rounds all with the same dead hold/coverup hold on the red bullseye (7rd mags). I can punch the dead center out of those targets slow firing from those distances all day long with any of my other 1911s. I do understand the shooting advice... I'm not a competition or marksman but I just dont find those distances difficult.

old example, and yes I flinched on one.
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