Off-Duty Blanchard cop pulls gun after traffic accident

[Wormydog1724]

Just saying "imma police officer" isn't some sort of entitlement to do whatever the **** you want, when you're wheelin around in your blue mustang, in gym shirts, on a college campus, causing accidents, pulling guns on people. Or is it? Maybe there are some perks to becoming a cop.

I seriously doubt he felt his LIFE was in danger. His LIFE. He actually felt Richardson was going to jump over the pickup, into the window of his mustang, and kill him? KILL HIM? GTFO. I guarantee you if I'm in an accident and dude is being a prick, video camera is coming out, not my gun. I've been hit by a person before, who left the scene, then came back, wouldn't show me his insurance, had a tag on his vehicle that was registered to a differen vehicle, and was shady as ****. But because he was with somebody that I thought I could trust, somebody many of us on this forum think we can trust and do trust, I let it go and took his word he was a good guy and would fix my truck no matter the cost. He did fix my truck but bitched about it the whole time. Fixing a fender, taillight, and bumper the right way isn't cheap these days.

Chris, its not about black and white for me (richardson looks mexican if anything to me). It's about a gun being pulled in the middle of the street while mumbling "imma police officer". Above the window or not, the gun was visible to Richardson and his honey, at the least I would think that would be intimidation with a firearm. Is that a real thing? I don't know I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in 2010.

 

[Wormydog1724]

I'm not defending Richardson's demeanor, he's a prick too. I just do not feel a gun NEEDED come into play. There are consequences for our actions, as mentioned over and over in another thread. Richardson's consequences is looked like an asshole, probably got some elephant dung scared out of him, and will always be know as 'that guy'. Shaw caused an accident and flashed a gun, and walked away.

 

[Wormydog1724]

But that fact is none of us were there, none if us know what each guy was thinking or feeling, or what each guys recital tempature was. We can all learn from the video however. Don't cause accidents, don't act like a douchbag, don't act threatening, don't pull a gun, don't say in a wimpy bitchy voice 'you pulled a gun on me!'. Act like men and get things taken care of, one way or another. No loose ends.

 

[ChrisC]

I agree but remember there is always a gun in the fight..... your own. A simple assault and battery can easily turn into more If your weapon gets into the hands of the aggressor. Also remember we are playing arm chair qb the morning after.


Next Hispanic is an ethnicity not a race. They are still Caucasian. I was referencing their color of their skin only as identification not justification.

I'm not saying it was right but I'm saying it wasn't illegal. It is not the actions I would have chosen. But stepping into his shoes I could see how he could have been in fear of serious bodily injury.

Now we all know that you have to be in danger of serious bodily injury or death to deploy deadly force. Serious bodily injury is more than what is received by a simple battery.

Here is some food for thought:

So do you have to sit there and let someone whoop on you until you have sustained enough injury to be serious before you can show your weapon to them and tell them to back off?

Regardless of profession.

 

[Wormydog1724]

I wasn't calling you a racist man! Lol.

No chris. I don't feel in that situation 'fear of death or great bodily harm' applied. Had Richardson hit his pickup with his fist and said 'im gonna beat your ass' and made a full hearted lunge, over the pickup, into his car window, then sure. But If shaw would have grabbed his gun and put it beside him out of sight and said 'I advise you to back off. Imma police officer and I advise you to back off.' Never showing the gun, then everybody would be fine. The gun never needed to be shown. Shouldn't have been shown. He only made a bad situation worse and it could have been a lot worse if Richardson had been a handgun license holder and felt his life had been in danger, which I can see after he sees a gun.

 

[Wormydog1724]

If I had hit Richardson and he was being like that I just woulda been like 'dude, its a dogde. It's a piece of crap anyways.' Then I woulda done a donut and flipped him off as I doing it and said 'haters gonna hate' as I was in reverse then immediately pulled a starsky and hutch.

 

[Wormydog1724]

Too many variables to say what we would have done. Emotions were high. People do irrational things all the time. Such is life.

 

[foghorn918]

There's always more to every story. Who knows what was going on (driving wise) prior to the accident, many people think they are NASCAR drivers and cutting in and out far too close for comfort. Why was video already on, something already going on?

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

I had to sign up to be able to post here, but I would like to set something straight. The video posted by the news stations is a small part of the video. Josh Shaw is a good friend of mine, and he is a damn good Police Officer. The guy was told multiple times to step back but he refused. In a threatening manner was demanding insurance. If you are involved in a wreck you have NO obligation to provide anything to the other driver, just the Police that work the incident. An off-duty officer typically is not going to identify himself unless he has to use force, so flashing a badge is typically not an option. It probably could have been handled better, but under the circumstances I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same thing.

I mean who are we going to trust, you who know the situation and the person, or people on the internet who would obviously do any LEO's job better? Shoot as it is most people in Oklahoma can outshoot every LEO, would have won 5 national championships if they were coaching OU football, and would beat Miami Heat in the finals if they coached the thunder..

 

[poopgiggle]

What I took away from this thread is that having a CCW is way more complicated than anyone imagines, even those of us who POST ON GUN FORUMS ALL THE TIME BRO and are all up on teh tactical.

TBH if I got into a car accident and the other guy pulled a gun, I might make some really bad decisions before I heard "I'm a cop." No matter who's in the wrong, the guy with the badge automatically has a lot more credibility.

Shoot as it is most people in Oklahoma can outshoot every LEO

I know you were being sarcastic but...go shooting with an IL state trooper sometime.

I was at the Bass Pro range in Gurnee and I got roughly the same groups at the same distance as a state trooper but he was shooting a full size duty pistol and I was shooting a J-frame. And anyone who has seen me shoot can testify to my absolute mediocrity with a pistol.

E: Oh also this was pre TDSA sooooooo

 

[Wormydog1724]

Nevermind..

 

[Glockman85]

Dude in the mustang acted like a fool, period. It does not make a diference whatsoever that he is a police officer. He was off duty and got in a little fender bender. The guy asked him for his insurance and shaw flew off the handle. They should have just exchanged insurance and been on their way or called the police immediately after the collision and let them asses it and decide fault. Shaw's life was never in danger. If your going to pull your gun your life better be in immediate danger not just because someone stands within looks like about 5-6 foot of you. Also who cares if he was an officer there was no reason to even announce that he was trying to use it as leverage.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

What I took away from this thread is that having a CCW is way more complicated than anyone imagines, even those of us who POST ON GUN FORUMS ALL THE TIME BRO and are all up on teh tactical.

TBH if I got into a car accident and the other guy pulled a gun, I might make some really bad decisions before I heard "I'm a cop." No matter who's in the wrong, the guy with the badge automatically has a lot more credibility.I know you were being sarcastic but...go shooting with an IL state trooper sometime.

I was at the Bass Pro range in Gurnee and I got roughly the same groups at the same distance as a state trooper but he was shooting a full size duty pistol and I was shooting a J-frame. And anyone who has seen me shoot can testify to my absolute mediocrity with a pistol.

E: Oh also this was pre TDSA sooooooo

(referring not to this thread in particular but LEO "bashing" threads in general) i know, i am not saying all LEO are great shots, but some are... it just seems like people think if a cop is not a GM USPSA shooter then he needs to be fired. my friends who are LEO's are great people and hate the guys that give LEO's a bad name.
i think the bigger thing for me is... that if the fistfights i got into over basketball, the way i have yelled at my wife and all the other times i have lost my temper, etc.. had been caught on camera, no one here would probably associate with me. Thankfully, now that i am somewhat beginning to understand God's grace, i don't harbor much guilt. But the point remains it is difficult to rip someone when we don't know the whole situation or even if that person is wrong, it is difficult for me to get on an internet board and talk about how bad they are at their job, when they are probably getting ripped by their boss and feeling very guilty. I guess all in all i am just thankful my mistakes haven't been caught on video and put on the internet!!

 

[Wormydog1724]

Ben you are a great guy and I know that we don't see eye to eye on some things. Cop bashing isn't my intent. It's a thankless job that is always under scrutiny. I would think they would be more careful than the average citizen because they should know they are held to a higher standard. That higher standard was not shown by Shaw. Or the cop that choked the EMT. Or the cop I saw stomping on a suspects wrists after he was detained and handcuffed while I was riding along with okc pd. I wish all cops were USPSA GM's... Then chambers wouldn't have such a huge head about it.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

Ben you are a great guy and I know that we don't see eye to eye on some things. Cop bashing isn't my intent. It's a thankless job that is always under scrutiny. I would think they would be more careful than the average citizen because they should know they are held to a higher standard. That higher standard was not shown by Shaw. Or the cop that choked the EMT. Or the cop I saw stomping on a suspects wrists after he was detained and handcuffed while I was riding along with okc pd. I wish all cops were USPSA GM's... Then chambers wouldn't have such a huge head about it.

just so you know, my posts weren't written with you in mind... i think it may be because i have spent too much time on the "other" site, but it just seems like all we read is negative, i mean the only real positive story i read about LEO is the cop in NY that bought the homeless guy shoes and that didn't get posted on any gun forums! so my "rant" was more just addressing society as a whole, not even necessarily this thread... and even though i don't post we agree more often then you think.. also i am in no way defending the behavior displayed. Just saying it would be nice if there was a little more balance and less "blanket" statements (all cops can't shoot, they are all just going to roll over and do whatever Obama wants and take our guns, etc..) Lastly, no matter how many cops are GM chambers would still have a big head!

lastly this video IS directed at you and i think it should tell you how i feel about you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC76BDR4d0M