New AWB Details Released: Get Involved Now

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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. - Patrick Henry

The Honorable Dianne Feinstein has announced the details of her proposed legislation:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
Banning firearms with ?thumbhole stocks? and ?bullet buttons? to address attempts to ?work around? prior bans
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

Translation:
- Any semiauto that can take any magazine AND has ONE of the following is an assault weapon: pistol grip, adjustable stock. It is unclear whether every single semiauto handgun in the country would be included.
- Assault weapons treated like NFA items (machine guns, suppressors, short barreled rifles, etc). NOTE: REGISTRATION is a prerequisite for CONFISCATION.
- Standard capacity mags = BANNED. Yes, this affects every Glock, M&P, Beretta, etc concealed carry gun.

If you're a "fudd" and think, "Oh, well, they won't ever come after my shotgun!" you're an idiot. Just wait until some lunatic or convicted felon blows away a bunch of innocents with a pump shotgun and you're F'd too. In fact, the ATF could rule any 12 gauge shotgun "unsuitable for sporting purposes" and call it an NFA item Destructive Device tomorrow. I'm sorry to be rude but you need a reality check if you think the antis will be happy to stop after the black rifles.

If you're a "fudd" and think, "Oh, well, they won't ever come after my deer rifle!" you're an idiot. Just wait until another whackjob uses a 30-30 to kill a cop (ANY rifle round including 30-30 will punch through soft police vest body armor) or uses a scoped "sniper rifle" to murder someone. Your deer rifle = evil sniper armor piercing weapon of mass destruction. Again, sorry to be blunt but you need a wake up call as well.

And, after the next lunatic commits a crime with a semiauto, we'll see a crackdown on those (it will be easy once they're all registered) and movement of the other action types onto the registry. The desired end state for these people is no guns in civilian hands: look at Britain, Australia, etc.

It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. -- Sam Adams

If you are surfing this board, and you're a gun owner, you need to get involved immediately. Send a letter to your US Senators and Congressman immediately, even if you are not an eloquent writer. Send letters to Harry Reid and John Boehner for good measure. Lobby your state-level representatives and Gov Haley and let them know that this is unacceptable and you expect SC to pursue solutions that might actually work, such as reducing gun free zones or improving mental health care or ensuring mental health records are reported to NICS. Send money to NRA. Send money to SAF. Engage on social media with voters, friends, and family. Get friends and coworkers to start writing letters too. Make it easy for them with pre-stamped and pre-addressed post cards. Take a new shooter to the range for the first time.

Make it clear that even a "compromise" watered down version of this bill is unacceptable.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves." - Winston Churchill

Don't talk to us about how you're going to run off to the hills, how "if its time to bury 'em its time to dig 'em up," and how you're going to refuse to enter the registry if you can't even be bothered to send a three minute email to your elected representatives, scrape together twenty bucks to send to a pro-2A organization, or lack the courage to attempt to persuade your friends and associates in the real world. Those things are easy. If everyone who has bought a semiauto firearm or standard capacity magazine since 1994 wrote their representatives, donated the cost of a box of ammo or two, and took a new person shooting, this nonsense would not go much further.

If you're already doing these things -- BRAVO! Now, rope someone else in to literally double your efforts.
 
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Outlining the first part of the plan, Cryan said the measure would limit the capacity of ammunition magazines from the current maximum of 15 to five.

So this would make everything sold by the CMP illegal, since even a springfield 1905 is actually a 5+1 magazine. That also covers mossins, and most lever action rifles and shotguns (yes, i know those are integrated magazine tubes, but do you think that will stop them?). Possibly even revolvers. I cant find any actuall text of this one yet, and its only a state iniative, but it is still not gun owner friendly.

In reference to Fienstiens proposed legislation im teling you right now that if they make people start paying a tax stamp for their rifles it wont stand up. It will suck until it makes it through the court system, but i am fairly certain it would fall afoul of the legal test by being confiscitory and disciminatory(lets see, 200$ / magazine. 200$ per weapon... some people are looking at 20000+ in taxes right there) (especially if they make it retroactive (you own one now you have to register it now, not when you transfer it)). And theoretically it would fall afoul of the firearms owners protection act as well, by creatining a de-facto registration of firearms. It would not be covered by the hughes amendment, since that specifically deals with machine guns (and that should have stood up either, but thats a different topic). Not that the current goverment seems to care about what the law says...

PS: this could balanmce the budget. their must be hundreds of thosands of surplus GI mags on the market. at 200$ a pop thats a few trillion right there. no more fiscal cliff to worry about.

PSS: Just random thoughts. the IRS doesnt have to abide by the 4th amendment. they can send agents to search your house to see if you have unregistered weapons / magazines. they can go over your financial history to see if you ever bought any. In fact the IRS answers to no one, legally speaking...
 
Other than writing senators, congressmen, and representatives in both the state and federal government I don't know what to do........I have some private personal actions I will take to make those that come for my firearms to have to use deep water recovery methods to get mine....I will even provide GPS co ordinates...........But, until the day arrives I am just going to continue to shoot as usual.. :roll:
 
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs ... ade-treaty

christmas eve the UN voted to reopen the arms trade treaty. no surprise there. but if a AWB can not be forced through the senate and congress, they may use this as a backdoor AWB. Some provision inculde mandatory registration of firems, and manufaturers permits to modify or assemble rifles and ammo.
 
fiundagner said:
In reference to Fienstiens proposed legislation im teling you right now that if they make people start paying a tax stamp for their rifles it wont stand up. It will suck until it makes it through the court system, but i am fairly certain it would fall afoul of the legal test by being confiscitory and disciminatory(lets see, 200$ / magazine. 200$ per weapon... some people are looking at 20000+ in taxes right there) (especially if they make it retroactive (you own one now you have to register it now, not when you transfer it)). And theoretically it would fall afoul of the firearms owners protection act as well, by creatining a de-facto registration of firearms. It would not be covered by the hughes amendment, since that specifically deals with machine guns (and that should have stood up either, but thats a different topic). Not that the current goverment seems to care about what the law says...

Just like how the National Firearms Act of 1934 has been overturned because it was unreasonable to make people pay a $200 tax (FAR more expensive in real purchasing power in 1934 than $200 today, by the way), right?

This is why you join the Second Amendment Foundation for $25, to play defense in the courts, but really, we do not want to make a goal line stand and hope for a turnover + hail mary with the SAF on this issue. It cannot be allowed to get even that far.

fiundagner said:
Other than writing senators, congressmen, and representatives in both the state and federal government I don't know what to do........I have some private personal actions I will take to make those that come for my firearms to have to use deep water recovery methods to get mine....I will even provide GPS co ordinates...........But, until the day arrives I am just going to continue to shoot as usual..

Take someone to the range with you when you go anyways, preferably a new shooter. Bring a stack of postcards preaddressed to elected officials to the range and pass them out. Send $15 (the cost of a box of ammo) to NRA-ILA or SAF. If your range charges daily fees, ask them if they'll consider an "add a buck" or "round up to a dollar" donation program for NRA-ILA or SAF.
 
armaborealis said:
If your range charges daily fees, ask them if they'll consider an "add a buck" or "round up to a dollar" donation program for NRA-ILA or SAF.


That's a great idea.
 
I don't need anyone else telling me what I need to do......I am doing what I can and have probably been doing it a lot longer than most of you!
 
dan01 said:
I don't need anyone else telling me what I need to do......I am doing what I can and have probably been doing it a lot longer than most of you!

Well, if you don't need anyone telling you what to do, good luck with the new government restrictions telling you what you can and can't do with your firearms.
 
11B3XCIB, I believe you may have been jumping the gun with your anger. He may have already sent his letter and thus was stating he doesn't need someone telling him to do that. Just my feelings on it anyway.

I wrote my representative a moment ago. I was pleased to see Tim Scott already has taken a stance against more gun control.
 
PCShogun said:
11B3XCIB, I believe you may have been jumping the gun with your anger. He may have already sent his letter and thus was stating he doesn't need someone telling him to do that.

Not angry; it just seemed a little...off. Sorry.
 
dan01 said:
I don't need anyone else telling me what I need to do......I am doing what I can and have probably been doing it a lot longer than most of you!


And this is why we will loose this fight...... The anti's are together on this.....while we bicker over stupid elephant dung...Excuse my French but that is what it is stupid elephant dung we need to be together on this not "nah nah nah I'm a big boy don't tell me what to do." He was only trying to help out. Geez :evil: Grow up guys and get together on something!
 
we come here to find out what to do.

everybody doesnt know everything.

i think its going to take a way bigger communications network for ALL of us to get together.
 
I am sorry that I offended you folks.......................................I have a Honorable Discharge, I also served 12 years in the SCNG, I have paid taxes since 1957, I vote all Republican whether the candidates are clowns or not, I have been a NRA member for many years, blah blah blah............I am retired and disabled and have to watch my budget carefully...I do the letters to the government thing frequently and have been doing it for years........I am totally against government control of anything that is guaranteed by the Constitution................

I may not have done enough to suit every body's idea of protecting our right to own firearms, but I have done a few things and I am sorry it wasn't enough.

However, I fear that this go around, the anti gun folks are going to muscle through some gun control in spite of every one's efforts....I just hope it isn't as bad as what is being portrayed in the media releases of the anti gun politicians desires.

Dan
 
Dan o1 You have nothing to feel sorry about....And thank you for your service...

Everyone is worried about the future...Hell...I even got a shotgun just incase ammo gets scarce....

If everyone does what you have done as far as writing and all...maybe we would have a chance...who knows.

Steve
 
This seems to be a step in the right direction if only the bill includes residents keeping the firearms and accessories they now own irregardless of where they were manufactured.........I will be writing Sen. Lee Bright...............

COLUMBIA, S.C. (WCIV) ? A bill prefiled in the South Carolina state Senate would exempt any firearm, accessory or ammunition manufactured and kept in the state from federal regulations.

The bill was filed by Sen. Lee Bright (R-Spartanburg) on Dec. 13, one day before the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn, where a gunman killed 20 children and six adults.

The bill, named the "South Carolina Firearms Freedom Act," cites the 9th and 10th Amendments to establish that the manufacture of firearms and ammunition is not expressly written into the U.S. Constitution, which means regulation falls to the states.

The bill defines accessories to firearms as anything to provide usefulness in using the weapon, including "telescopic and laser sights, magazines, flash or round suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination."

The bill also notes that South Carolina's constitution states that the government cannot interfere with the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms.

The bill, it notes, does not apply to firearms that cannot be carried or used by one person, that have a bore diameter greater than 1.5 inches, a firearm that fires multiple projectiles by pulling the trigger, or one that uses ammunition that explodes after leaving the weapon.

Weapons made in South Carolina, the bill notes, must be stamped with the words "Made in South Carolina."

The bill opens the door for a wide array of weapons because FN Manufacturing, a precision manufacturing company based out of Columbia, manufactures gun barrels, including a pair of .50-caliber machine guns, NATO assault rifles, and assault/sniper rifles used by U.S. Special Forces. FN Manufacturing's MK 13 Mod 0 grenade launcher would not be covered under Bright's bill.

Bright has not responded to requests for comment.

A bill of the same name had been filed with the state Senate in 2009. Bright, along with Sens. Bryant, Mulvaney, Davis, Shoopman, McConnell and Martin, were cosigners on that bill.

Eight other states have already approved similar proposals, and dozens of others are considering them. Legislation approved in Montana is being challenged in federal court. State lawmakers reconvene in Columbia Jan. 8.

Sorry, I just noted that Wylie had already posted a copy of this bill.
 
If grandfathering in of keeping the firearms we possess would be made a principal part of the bill I think that the residents of SC would be inclined to put pressure on our governor and representatives to pass the bill..........Whether the democratic socialist government of our country would recognize gun laws of individual states would be the big question.......I fear that the feds would over ride state rights and risk another civil war just to serve the will of a minority of foaming at the mouth anti gun nazis.

I may have missed it, but I have read nothing concerning the economic impact of strict gun control on the nation in it's present financial condition......A LOT of jobs and cash flow will go along with the banned firearms......I wonder how much gun money affects our state's economy?

I hope and pray that the government can find ways to stop the crazies before more mass killings take place....Strict gun control ain't it!!.........I for one will rat out anyone exhibiting tendencies toward violent acts...Everyone should do this and should have been doing it all along.

Sorry for my babbling.

Dan
 
I wonder how Feinstein proposes the federal government finance the possible buy back program. The country is broke yet buying back all these privately owned guns would require billions. Anyway, I wouldn't be selling mine back so it's a moot point.
 
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