Mark LaRue af LaRue Tactical new policy!

I've been harping for a while that all the gun makers, all the ammo makers, all the accessory makers should leave New York (and other anti-gun states. AND they should stop selling in those states and to those states. They want to be disarmed? Fine, let them be disarmed. This would include body armor, they wont need it if everyone is disarmed, right?
 
Larue is a top notch company and will always get my money, my business and my respect. The same holds true for Barrett and a handfull of other companies with solid leaders at the helm that realize there is more than money to happiness and that principals matter.
 
The government will always get a new supplier, much to the dismay of the tax payer, I.E. the new Marine Colt. Not that I don't think a Colt .45 is not a better idea. I really like the idea of refusing to sell unless on equal terms, but I don't think it will overcome greed. Before we were a twinkle in a goverments eye, companies were selling to the highest bidder or best kickback. Sad but true.
 
After stating the sad reality of the facts, I would still prefer to do business with a company with a moral compass.
 
There will always be someone willing to sell their guns to the bad states but this helps push momentum in the right direction.
 
StealthESW said:
This is epic. Now, if they will ALL follow suit, we can beat this thing. :021:
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Beat what thing? What exactly does this decision by Larue do that will help beat anything? The politician or chief of police is not on the street every night, and most of them could give a crap less what kind of weapons the street officers have access to as long as it doesnt violate department policy.

The only thing this does is hurt the patrol officer. You know, the guy that lives down the street from you that has a wife and 2 kids. He straps on a vest and gun and leaves his family every night to deal with (sometimes violent) criminals....and he does it for crap money compared to other careers. How many of you do that? I see people post up about how criminals do not follow gun laws and all that but you dont take a second to think about the men and women whos job it is to deal with those criminals.

I'll keep my business somewhere else. With a company that understands that the police officer on the street needs access to high quality equipment because they are called to deal with the worst that society has to offer, and may end up sacrificing their own life for one of you....or you family members.
 
Eric Gambill said:
Beat what thing? What exactly does this decision by Larue do that will help beat anything? The politician or chief of police is not on the street every night, and most of them could give a crap less what kind of weapons the street officers have access to as long as it doesnt violate department policy.

The only thing this does is hurt the patrol officer. You know, the guy that lives down the street from you that has a wife and 2 kids. He straps on a vest and gun and leaves his family every night to deal with (sometimes violent) criminals....and he does it for crap money compared to other careers. How many of you do that? I see people post up about how criminals do not follow gun laws and all that but you dont take a second to think about the men and women whos job it is to deal with those criminals.

I'll keep my business somewhere else. With a company that understands that the police officer on the street needs access to high quality equipment because they are called to deal with the worst that society has to offer, and may end up sacrificing their own life for one of you....or you family members.
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i have friends and family that are LEO/FBI, and they are not the ones voting for AWB, they are just as against it as we are.. see no reason to punish them...
 
Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.

You and I face the same threats as our police, and we don't have the ability to call in the whole department for backup at a moment's notice. It's unfortunate that it's come to situations like this, but I support both Mark LaRue and Ronnie Barret on their decisions.
 
Maybe all the police and military would quit protecting us if they could only have 7 round magazines and shitty rifles just like the citizens. I know I would have.
 
Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.

You and I face the same threats as our police, and we don't have the ability to call in the whole department for backup at a moment's notice. It's unfortunate that it's come to situations like this, but I support both Mark LaRue and Ronnie Barret on their decisions.
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I thought the definition of Tyranny was the unrestrained, oppressive and unjust abuse of power by a gov against its citizens....

I dont know your background, or what you do for a living so please explain to me how you face the same threats as I (and other police officers on the street around the country) face.

It really does suck that it has come to this. Because truthfully, it affects all of us. I hate to imagine a day where the police cannot get the best tools/weapons for the job. If someone broke into your house and took your family hostage would you want the police who respond to only have pistols with 7 round mags? If an active shooter walked into your childrens school? If a cop in one of those areas with bad gun restrictions makes a traffic stop tonight and its a car full of armed gang members with felony warrants....he shouldnt have the best available to him to fight for his life if they decide to attack?

Most of you do not face the same threats as a police officer, and your deliousional if you think the ability to call for backup is going to keep a cop from getting killed. I hate to see the attitude thats been going around lately that police officers are some kind of agent of the evil gov. The bad thing is just like Benjamin said, A LOT of police officers feel the same way about the gun restrictions and AWB as you do.

@Jesse: I wouldnt quit protecting the citizens in my jurisdiction even if they made me into a freeking english bobby with nothing more than an nightstick. Its my job.
 
Eric Gambill said:
I thought the definition of Tyranny was the unrestrained, oppressive and unjust abuse of power by a gov against its citizens....

I dont know your background, or what you do for a living so please explain to me how you face the same threats as I (and other police officers on the street around the country) face.

It really does suck that it has come to this. Because truthfully, it affects all of us. I hate to imagine a day where the police cannot get the best tools/weapons for the job. If someone broke into your house and took your family hostage would you want the police who respond to only have pistols with 7 round mags? If an active shooter walked into your childrens school? If a cop in one of those areas with bad gun restrictions makes a traffic stop tonight and its a car full of armed gang members with felony warrants....he shouldnt have the best available to him to fight for his life if they decide to attack?

Most of you do not face the same threats as a police officer, and your deliousional if you think the ability to call for backup is going to keep a cop from getting killed. I hate to see the attitude thats been going around lately that police officers are some kind of agent of the evil gov. The bad thing is just like Benjamin said, A LOT of police officers feel the same way about the gun restrictions and AWB as you do.

@Jesse: I wouldnt quit protecting the citizens in my jurisdiction even if they made me into a freeking english bobby with nothing more than an nightstick. Its my job.
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Before I lead off on this one, please understand me; I support our police forces and the job that they (and you and many other BSers) do with every fiber of my being. You are under-appreciated and underpaid.

Here's a quick sample of some of the more eventful things I've faced in my relatively short 25 year lifespan. I spent an entire summer watching for oilfield thieves at night who were doing their best to deprive my family of the equipment it needs to make a living. I spent one Christmas Eve running militant coyote hunters off while they were doing their best to run my uncle's cattle through fences with their dogs. I've stood in a dark church parking lot while a kid who had been recently picked up for armed burglary was obviously hiding either a gun or a knife under his clothes. I was once flagged down by a very panicked older woman, and once I got out of my truck and asked why, she explained that "She (another woman) has a knife and she's going to kill him."

In each of these cases, what I was shown is that due to simple physics, if something truly bad were to happen, the police would show up in time to supervise the zipping up of bodybags. I was also shown that the police (especially in rural areas) simply do not have the manpower to prevent every crime. This is not a criticism, it's just a fact.

Now, I recognize that I likely don't face threats as often as our police do (and I am grateful for that, and I pray for you.)

I suppose that this is the core of the issue for me; if weapons and magazines are too dangerous for me to possess, then they are also too dangerous for the police to possess. I recognize that you are a good shooter (a great one even, as evidenced by your classifier scores), but I also know that you are probably at a minimum of the 90th percentile at your department. My experience at matches is that most police are not good shooters. In fact, the most terrifying competitive shooting experience of my life was at a 3 gun match with a squad of cops that I didn't know. I could start dragging examples out of the news but that's not going to do anyone any good.

Here's the other part of the issue for me; we're faced with our various governments making decisions for us because they are oh-so much smarter and more responsible than us, when evidence clearly shows they are neither. We have to start telling them no. If you lived in New York, and could only get 7 round mags (like the citizens), I'd give you the same advice that I'd give the citizens; move.
 
Eric Gambill said:
I thought the definition of Tyranny was the unrestrained, oppressive and unjust abuse of power by a gov against its citizens....

I dont know your background, or what you do for a living so please explain to me how you face the same threats as I (and other police officers on the street around the country) face.

It really does suck that it has come to this. Because truthfully, it affects all of us. I hate to imagine a day where the police cannot get the best tools/weapons for the job. If someone broke into your house and took your family hostage would you want the police who respond to only have pistols with 7 round mags? If an active shooter walked into your childrens school? If a cop in one of those areas with bad gun restrictions makes a traffic stop tonight and its a car full of armed gang members with felony warrants....he shouldnt have the best available to him to fight for his life if they decide to attack?

Most of you do not face the same threats as a police officer, and your deliousional if you think the ability to call for backup is going to keep a cop from getting killed. I hate to see the attitude thats been going around lately that police officers are some kind of agent of the evil gov. The bad thing is just like Benjamin said, A LOT of police officers feel the same way about the gun restrictions and AWB as you do.

@Jesse: I wouldnt quit protecting the citizens in my jurisdiction even if they made me into a freeking english bobby with nothing more than an nightstick. Its my job.
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Eric, I whole heartedly echo the thoughts of Austin T. I don't know what the best way to go about it would be but the average working LEO has got to collectively figure out a way to get the message across to your chiefs, unions, mayors, etc. and the politicians that they pander to, that support of these BS laws has got to stop.

As said what form and method that comes in I don't know. A grassroots organization such as Oathkeepers partnering with NRA or something? Some sort of grassroots action in your profession is needed to get a message across to the upper echelon. Personally if I were running one of these companies I'd try to figure out a way to still support and sell to an individual LEO in these states, while refusing to sell to the departments and agencies they work for. But that would be a huge headache and would probably not be effective anyway. Like said I don't know what the answer is short of you guys somehow collectively just saying enough is enough. It will get ugly before it gets better but I think the public at large will support you. I know I do. Just my $.02
 
You're still missing the point Eric. We want the same weapons as the police or military to defend ourselves if need be. We also want the same weapons if we have to defend ourselves from the police or military.

I hope our good guys have the best stuff imaginable but if I can't have it they shouldn't either.
 
I agree with the points your making....

1. There will never be enough LEOs to prevent crime. A lot of us do our best to be proactive but the bad guys way outnumber the good guys.


2. Most cops do not take an interest in shooting and the "training" we get is crap. Qualifying with 50 rounds twice a year is not training. Most competitive shooters put more than that idownrange in one practice session.

3. Larue Tactical, the guy who banned cops from his range.....I understand what they are trying to do. I just think they are grasping at whatever they can to try to make a difference. Its the wrong target. Lawmakers dont care about what they did, it doesnt affect them at all. I would have rather seen Larue take the money they get from LEO sales and donate it to the NRA (since they are good with losing it anyway).

Im glad we have a place to discuss our thoughts and opinions. Its good to see something from another persons perspective even though we all have common beliefs and goals.
 
so the gun community splinters further.. we have hunters disagreeing with comp. shooters. Gun manufacturers making enemies with LEO's. People flipping out because ADA police bought "assault rifles". People "boycotting" walmart based off of rumors, etc.. People talking trash about every local gun shop in town due to prices.. I mean if i was an anti i would just look and laugh, instead of uniting together this is most splintered i have ever seen the gun community.. ever..
 
Ben, it is only going to get worse, I hear "it's a buyers market" well that buyers market is to blame for a lot of it, people have been so good to their customers over the years and in a panic they decide to **** the very same people that have been loyal to them, I just don't understand it just cause evryone needs all this at one time they decide to double and triple the prices on stuff? Well I will remember the ones that have tried to put the scres to me and I am not a lot but if they are screwing me they are screwing a lot of other people, I just hope all the people getting the shaft remember this when it is all said and done, a buyers market, **** THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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