Kids With Guns
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Midnight Raver
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No offense, but kids wearing masks toting guns doesn't really convey a positive image for gun owners- just my personal opinion.
Anti gun activists would love to exploit your two pics you've posted so far. Just food for thought.
Anti gun activists would love to exploit your two pics you've posted so far. Just food for thought.
PANZER22
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The barrel on the shotgun doesn't appear to be 19.5" long......Looks illegal to me and should not be shown on this site.
94formulabird
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I believe u mean 18.5" ...also notice how the vented rib does not look like a hack job...that means its probably a legally owned sbs or aow...dan01 said:
Midnight Raver
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There are Forum members here that have legally owned firearms of all types- full auto, SBR, suppressed as well. There is nothing wrong with posting pictures of firearms of all sorts. Banning pictures of things we can or can not have would be like banning books- we sometimes post things others have shared on the internet.
My post was only pertaining to a couple of pictures with a little kid sporting firearms while wearing masks. I just felt they were in bad taste and convey negative publicity for gun owners in a number of ways.
Just imagine for a moment that Feinstein, Biden or even Obama was holding them up on video or in a news article- see my point now? :idea:
My post was only pertaining to a couple of pictures with a little kid sporting firearms while wearing masks. I just felt they were in bad taste and convey negative publicity for gun owners in a number of ways.
Just imagine for a moment that Feinstein, Biden or even Obama was holding them up on video or in a news article- see my point now? :idea:
thebrasilian
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Except that a guy just recently got arrested for "Child endangerment" by posting a picture of his child and himself with a bb gun.
John Canuck
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19.5" ... 18" ... tomato ... tomato
It's a good thing that isn't a BB gun...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/29/da ... nd-bb-gun/
It's a good thing that isn't a BB gun...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/29/da ... nd-bb-gun/
PANZER22
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The need to exercise one's right to free speech covers a lot of territory.......Nut cases that post tasteless pictures or odd personal beliefs are in my opinion in the category of those that should be given back ground checks.......There are many in our society that should not be allowed to possess or purchase firearms........These people make our case of demonstrating firearm responsibility difficult and add fuel to the growing anti gun sentiment being used by the politicians and media for the eventual confiscation of all firearms.
I appeal to the administration and moderators to use the "no tolerance" clause to shop the proliferation of any material not in line with responsible firearm ownership!
Dan W
I appeal to the administration and moderators to use the "no tolerance" clause to shop the proliferation of any material not in line with responsible firearm ownership!
Dan W
Avtomat-Acolyte
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dan01 said:
Me, too!
For example, I suggest that the Site Administrators permanently ban all persons that accuse or allude to illegal activity by other members when there is no evidence of any crime. Your allusions or accusations of me violating the 1934 National Firearms Act is libelous slander and you have demonstrated that you are neither a responsible firearms owner nor a responsible forum member.
PCShogun
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Not sure why but it seems that our members have become more confrontational than usual. I am seeing much more disagreement amongst ourselves than ever seen in the past. I understand that the currently proposed legislation endangers what we see as our given rights, but the infighting that is escalating here will do nothing but fracture one area of support that we currently agree upon.
Midnight Raver has expressed a valid concern. We are not the only individuals who may view the content posted here; Anti-Gun politicians looking for ammo to take away our ammo, and sponsors who help support our members and gatherings,will all potentially view these posts. While presenting images of our favorite firearms is within the realm of this forum and group discussion, I too must support the idea that children with guns, not being instructed or in proper usage, may not be the best image we, as responsible gun owners, can make. I love to see youngsters being taught by their parents to become marksman and hunters with proper respect for their tools. I do not like to see them holding deadly weapons in a manner that implies they are toys to be played with. If I am missing something here, please let me know. My opinion is just that, my opinion. I want to see us continue to be a common league of supporting individuals in the hopes of maintaining our rights to shoot for sport, hunting, and for our defense.
Midnight Raver has expressed a valid concern. We are not the only individuals who may view the content posted here; Anti-Gun politicians looking for ammo to take away our ammo, and sponsors who help support our members and gatherings,will all potentially view these posts. While presenting images of our favorite firearms is within the realm of this forum and group discussion, I too must support the idea that children with guns, not being instructed or in proper usage, may not be the best image we, as responsible gun owners, can make. I love to see youngsters being taught by their parents to become marksman and hunters with proper respect for their tools. I do not like to see them holding deadly weapons in a manner that implies they are toys to be played with. If I am missing something here, please let me know. My opinion is just that, my opinion. I want to see us continue to be a common league of supporting individuals in the hopes of maintaining our rights to shoot for sport, hunting, and for our defense.
Avtomat-Acolyte
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Holding an unloaded gun is not "proper usage?" :roll:
PCShogun
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Keeping in mind that this is just my opinion and I know that others may feel differently:
Holding an unloaded gun is not "proper usage?" Not in the context of the image where she is wearing a ski mask, in the home, trying to look intimidating. To me it appears to convey the fact that guns are toys, not deadly tools. If at the range, or in a tree stand, I would have much less problem with it.
I do acknowledge that my feelings on this topic are stricter than what others may feel. I also do not like the recent trend of having "Zombie ammo" and "Zombie guns". I feel it portrays the same image, that firearms are toys. You will, however, never see me support the expulsion of a kindergartner for shooting her "Hello Kitty bubble maker" gun at school.
Ultimately, the decision of proper or improper themes posted on the forum belongs to the forum owners. We can either agree, or post elsewhere.
Holding an unloaded gun is not "proper usage?" Not in the context of the image where she is wearing a ski mask, in the home, trying to look intimidating. To me it appears to convey the fact that guns are toys, not deadly tools. If at the range, or in a tree stand, I would have much less problem with it.
I do acknowledge that my feelings on this topic are stricter than what others may feel. I also do not like the recent trend of having "Zombie ammo" and "Zombie guns". I feel it portrays the same image, that firearms are toys. You will, however, never see me support the expulsion of a kindergartner for shooting her "Hello Kitty bubble maker" gun at school.
Ultimately, the decision of proper or improper themes posted on the forum belongs to the forum owners. We can either agree, or post elsewhere.
11B3XCIB
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I figured the mask was because he didn't want his child's image out there on the internet.
Geez, there's a lot of overreacting going on in here.
Geez, there's a lot of overreacting going on in here.
rotarymike
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I think some of the high-pitched whine of crazy that is affecting the general public who is interested in guns is bleeding over into everyone that is involved in shooting as a hobby (or HD, or profession...)
I have to agree with Shogun. The pic of a kid with a mask and a gun made me cringe a little, because of what that could imply to the wrong audience. I didn't comment, because I didn't feel that my cringe rose to that level. Besides, as a parent with a digital camera, I know I have and probably will take pictures that could be misinterpreted - heck, I've got a pic of my little girl standing up in the shopping cart. Child endagerment! Without context any picture is only worth starting a discussion.
I noticed the SBS but didn't see any need to point it out. If it's legal, cool. If it isn't, the owner will eventually have to deal with the consequences of that. Honestly, having illegal SBS/SBR items in my community doesn't scare me too much. If she was holding a belt-fed, I'd worry more.
I have to agree with Shogun. The pic of a kid with a mask and a gun made me cringe a little, because of what that could imply to the wrong audience. I didn't comment, because I didn't feel that my cringe rose to that level. Besides, as a parent with a digital camera, I know I have and probably will take pictures that could be misinterpreted - heck, I've got a pic of my little girl standing up in the shopping cart. Child endagerment! Without context any picture is only worth starting a discussion.
I noticed the SBS but didn't see any need to point it out. If it's legal, cool. If it isn't, the owner will eventually have to deal with the consequences of that. Honestly, having illegal SBS/SBR items in my community doesn't scare me too much. If she was holding a belt-fed, I'd worry more.
Avtomat-Acolyte
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11B3XCIB said:
You, sir, get a gold medal. Leave it to a brother Infantryman to have to point out Occam's Razor.
Her wearing a mask is exactly the same reason why I posted a picture of myself holding a P-08 Luger with my head cropped out of the frame. PERSEC.
PANZER22
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Avtomat Acolyte, I find the easiest solution to you is to hit the ignore button......You no longer exist.
Midnight Raver
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Avtomat-Acolyte said:
However, in the first picture your daughter looks like a little terrorist for crying out loud. Can you give me one good reason why you wanted to take a picture like that in the first place? You have shown firearms of yours before, many people have. They even have pictures of themselves and family members with firearms being used for hunting and recreation. There are pics and vids of various Shootzenfests and other things. What is missing in all of those pictures? Ski masks, grinning children holding MP5s or shotguns in posed pictures like yours. Plenty of people show themselve here, but they aren't hiding themselves- why? Because they are RESPONSIBLE and LAW ABIDING firearms owners, that's why! If you need to hide your child's face but have her looking like that, you certainly don't convey a positive message. You cropped your face out of a pic, ok no big deal- maybe you worry about the men in black. But don't think for a moment that posting those pictures, especially in this day and age, seem ok or wouldn't attract negative attention to you(and your family for that matter). It just makes you look bad to do that to provoke responses, understand?
Would you go to the range wearing a ski mask so they don't recognize you while having some target time? Imagine if a shooting event had everyone wearing masks- SWAT and Homeland Security would be there ASAFP/PFQ!!!
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IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE, WHY SHOW IT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
11B3XCIB
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dan01 said:
Dan, you did accuse him of posting a picture of an illegally modified shotgun, when in fact, it was just the opposite. You never recanted or apologized, which would have been the adult thing to do. Eat a little crow and own your mistake. If he wants to post a picture of his kid dressed up, you don't have to like it, but on your first accusation...you were wrong. Own it.
And I for one, do not post pictures of myself on here or any other site. At least, not a photo where I could be identified in any way. A friend may recognize me if the photo is from the back or side, but I'll never post a full on photo. I'm not hiding out or a fugitive from justice, and it's not even about the government. I don't want to post a photo of me, get recognized locally, then have someone try to steal some of the items I post photos of. Might sound far fetched, but people do use the internet to find potential targets. Happens daily.
PANZER22
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11B3XCIB, you no longer exist.
