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Jesse Tischauser said:
Is there a good place to go read a summary of what those state bills actually do? I most concerned about legalized cannabis and high point beer.
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medical MJ didn't make it onto the 2016 ballot because a lawsuit over the ballot language delayed the process past the deadline; it'll be on the 2018 ballot I believe.

This is a pretty good rundown of SQ 792, including opposition opinion and a link to the full text of the proposed legislation.
 
The thing I don't like about 779 is that they are trying to make it sound like a 1 percent tax increase when it is really a 20% increase.

Would you vote yes for any kind of 20% tax increase? Probably not

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Burk Cornelius said:
The thing I dot like about 792 is that they are trying to make it sound like a 1 percent tax n increase when it is really a 20% increase.

Would you vote yes for any kind of 20% tax increase? Probably not

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are you talking about 779, or is there a tax increase hidden in 792 somewhere?
 
Burk Cornelius said:
The thing I dot like about 779 is that they are trying to make it sound like a 1 percent tax n increase when it is really a 20% increase.

Would you vote yes for any kind of 20% tax increase? Probably not

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I made it a standard practice to vote NO on any and all tax increases. They want to give teachers a raise? I'm all for it but they can find the money elsewhere, like in about 400+ administrator salaries that they could dump. They can start with that pile of millions right there.
 
And TPS is so awful that I'm willing to do whatever to try to make them better. If I have kids at some point, and can't afford the $550-$1000+ per month for a fancy private school (or if I just don't want them going to a Catholic school) I'm moving.

Anecdotally, I know several people who feel the same way. TyPros, whose mission is to try to keep young, skilled workers in Oklahoma, is lobbying for education reform for this reason.
 
dr poopgiggle said:
And TPS is so awful that I'm willing to do whatever to try to make them better. If I have kids at some point, and can't afford the $550-$1000+ per month for a fancy private school (or if I just don't want them going to a Catholic school) I'm moving.

Anecdotally, I know several people who feel the same way. TyPros, whose mission is to try to keep young, skilled workers in Oklahoma, is lobbying for education reform for this reason.
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Well I'm pretty sure that after Hillary wins, nobody will want to bring kids into the ginormous ghetto this country will become. The good news is that condoms and malt liquor are cheap!
 
I should add that I'm not thrilled that they're doing this with a sales tax, because consumption taxes are incredibly regressive, but the kind of people that get hit hardest by them aren't the kind of people who write big donations to campaigns so.
 
The more I read these state questions, the more I hate politics and politicians.

Try to count the number of times the following words appear in each:

Regulation
License
Fees


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Even the description of 779 is incorrect. I am beginning to think everyone is a liar

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Definitely Deplorable said:
Still haven't decided on 777 but all the rest are a big hell no.
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According to the analysis I've seen, it benefits giant agrobusiness farms and does nothing for small farmers but I don't know enough about the agriculture industry to really say.
 
Definitely Deplorable said:
I'm voting for cold beer. No way I vote no on that man, hot beer sucks.

Still haven't decided on 777 but all the rest are a big hell no.
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I still haven't read it. Can we buy booze at grocery & conviemce stures too or just wine and cold 6 point beer?
 
MikeF said:
From what I understand 792 would allow beer and wine to be sold in grocery stores as well as liquor stores.
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as a non-lawyer who has skimmed the proposed legislation, and heard part of a debate between people for and against SQ792 on the radio during my commute one day, here is my understanding of the changes as they relate to regular people:

1. Strong beer and wine, chilled or not, can be sold at "upermarkets, grocery stores, convenience stores, drug
stores, warehouse clubs and supercenters as defined by law," and "[r]etail outlets which were authorized to legally sell low
point beer as of the effective date of this [law]" as long as they have the appropriate beer and wine retail licenses.
2. A holder of "A Retail Spirits License" (liquor store) can now sell non-alchohol products (like mixers) as long as they don't make up more than 20% of their sales. They are still the only ones who can sell distilled spirits.

Literally no one is opposed to this law except for liquor store owners who are pissed about no longer having a legislated monopoly on the good elephant dung.
 
dr poopgiggle said:
as a non-lawyer who has skimmed the proposed legislation, and heard part of a debate between people for and against SQ792 on the radio during my commute one day, here is my understanding of the changes as they relate to regular people:

1. Strong beer and wine, chilled or not, can be sold at "upermarkets, grocery stores, convenience stores, drug
stores, warehouse clubs and supercenters as defined by law," and "[r]etail outlets which were authorized to legally sell low
point beer as of the effective date of this [law]" as long as they have the appropriate beer and wine retail licenses.
2. A holder of "A Retail Spirits License" (liquor store) can now sell non-alchohol products (like mixers) as long as they don't make up more than 20% of their sales. They are still the only ones who can sell distilled spirits.

Literally no one is opposed to this law except for liquor store owners who are pissed about no longer having a legislated monopoly on the good elephant dung.
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They still gotta lock on the hard stuff and can still sell the good wines and beers. Some people just like to cat lady.

dr poopgiggle said:
According to the analysis I've seen, it benefits giant agrobusiness farms and does nothing for small farmers but I don't know enough about the agriculture industry to really say.
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You know, I keep hearing this and I do see how it could, but I also see how it does the same EXACT thing for the little family farms. Jesse is a big agrofarmer, maybe he'll come in and line us out.
 
Definitely Deplorable said:
They still gotta lock on the hard stuff and can still sell the good wines and beers. Some people just like to cat lady.
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They will also have to pay for refrigeration equipment to stay competitive selling wine and beer.

I've heard industry representatives complain about how a bunch of liquor stores will close. Everyone loooooooves the free market until they're staring down the wrong end of Schumpeterian creative destruction.
 
The liquor stores that will close only existed because they filled a market gap created by our dumb laws.

We'll all still need to get the hard stuff somewhere.
 
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