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lafayette gregory said:I understand you are trying to create gray areas. Do gray areas exist - Well sure. Then fight to change the law. Otherwise - KNOW the law and do not break it!
Just because you see a law as "ridiculous/stupid" does not mean it has no relevance.
I do not like driving 55 on stretches of I26. If I break the law, I suffer the consequences. Ignorance to the law is no excuse and neither is feeling a law is stupid. Definance to the law is not defendable. Breakin the law IS punishable.
You argument is not valid when it comes to allowing felons have weapons to continue to do bad things. Nore is your arguments about what youcall "stupid laws".
More power to you in getting stupid laws changed. If you can do it, congratulations will be in order.
But I still say (NO GUNS FOR FELONS).
And who made you the new judge and jury? Just because you think a law is stupid does not make that so.
Just because you think a law is stupid does not mean that applies to everyone- Raw milk is dangerous. If you want drink raw milk from your own cow there is no law against it. If you want to market raw milk to the general public, then we have a problem. Its also called a felony. Don't want a felony charge- Don't try and market raw milk!
Want to evade taxes- then you deserve a felony. I for one am tired of paying taxes when others evade them daily. These people are stealing from the American people, should be criminally charged and their rights taken away!
Guns around schools- Sheez.... I don't like it for me, bu its the law and I obey the law. I am not goin to violate a law just because I do not like the law.
I am not going to willingly become a Felon.
Something that isn't taxable :roll: Give me a break. Nothing should be taxable and our Government should be operated by donations only......![]()
If our elected officials make something taxable, then it IS taxable. Have a beef with that, contact your elected official.
BUT STILL - NO guns for felons!!!!!!! No weapons for evil people, no guns for people who commit domestic violence, no guns for the insane, No guns for illegal aliens, and all the other questions on the 4473.
Now, if I had my way, there would be no guns for dumbnesses also. People would have to take a test to prove their IQ level. Anyone below 90 would not be able to vote or own property or own weapons. Good thing I am not a politician![]()
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No guns for felons no matter even if it is a so called "stupid law". Its still the LAW. Obey of move away. Pay taxes of move away. Or write your Congress critter.
Oh- BTW/ carsontech- I love ya man![]()
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Correct. You do understand. If you use services and you do not pay for them, you are stealing services and are just as guilty as any other freeloader. I pay taxes and I get, police service, I get street lights, I get paved roads and is get civil order, I get a military that will defend this country and its interest. People who evade taxes are steeling from me because I have to pay more taxes becauese they do not.So I'm stealing from my neighbors if I don't pay taxes, but the government isn't stealing from me by collecting taxes I have no choice but to pay? Oh, thanks for clearing THAT up. And some of us believe rights are fundamental, natural rights that are not contingent upon anything other than sheer existence. You're advocating that if I don't voluntarily let the government take my money, then I shouldn't have any rights. Nice!
I have no argument with what you statement - The only difference is that I am not going to become a felon. I am not going to go to a school with a weapon. We all have choices, and the law is what it is. If it is a felony to have a gun in a school zone, then I will not have a gun in a school zone or I will not go to a school zone.I'm so glad you weren't around to give Rosa Parks advice. Would you have told her to get her ass to the back of the bus? And why should you be forced to give up your right to self defense near a school just because the law says? What logical reasoning is behind that? Schools are GFSZ, and guess where shootings frequently happen? This is a stupid law that defies logic, strips people of their rights, and enforces dependence and expectation of government protection. Please give me ONE example of how this GFSZ law has actually prevented a shooting.
Its a law- Want it changed, then write your law maker, vote , scream or whatever else you can legally do to effect change. Until it is changed I am not going to violate the law. If you willingly make a decision to become a felon - then you too do not deserve to have access to weapons.Raw milk
Ignorance to the law is no defense. Willfully ignorance is even less defensible. See my suggestion about IQ testing.Very few actually do. But with the amount of laws on the books, it's becoming unavoidable. Did you know you can become a felon by possessing a lobster under a certain length? I think it's something like 80,000 laws are passed during an election year. EIGHTY THOUSAND. Imagine going to your mom's house, and she has 80,000 rules you must not break, or you'll be grounded and forced to give up your dessert!
Lots of shoulders and coulds and accusations about being hypocritical. Yep- maybe so maybe not. Still does not make it right for someone to willingly become a felon. Does not defend a dumbarse from becoming a felon. Want to keep your rights, do not perform felonious actions. What is taxed is what our elected officials have decided can be taxed. We elected them, we gave them power and we can remove them. I personally think it is crazy to tax cigarettes. I think anyone stupid enough to smoke should be paid to kill themselves. A better world through attrition.am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, you can't patent (read=make money!) from natural resources, which is why the government pushes synthetic drugs over natural ones. Some things are not and should not be taxable. Taxes have been a problem since society formed; we fought the Revolution partially because of taxation without representation, and then the very government we formed in the freedom from tyranny turned around and started mandatory taxing of citizens to cover the debt. Oh, but, we're not supposed to know that Think about the Whiskey Rebellion, which I promise most Americans have never heard of. None of that strikes you as hypocritical?
Evil or violent does not matter. degrees of felonies is not a legal term or deciding a factor at this time. And YES- a mistake made 17 years ago is still a mistake. Passage of time does not change history. A felon is a felon. If someone cannot defend their family then their family needs to find someone who can defend them and dump the damn felon!Part of what Carsontech was trying to say, was that not all felons are evil or violent or insane. You are painting with a broad brush, my friend, and a judgmental one at that. Does a felon no longer have the right to protect his/her life because of a mistake they made 17 years ago? Should they no longer be able defend their family because of that mistake? And what about after a felon has served their time? If they can't be trusted with their rights, then why are they back out on the street?
I cannot think of a better mother./pregnant lady rant. Apologies if my blood pressure runs a little high for the next 5 months
Tigerstripe said:so,
i ask again, are we going to willingly become felons when the MAN is at the door to take our guns?
lafayette gregory said:Civil disobedience is a very good thing when organized and no one breaks laws. Committing felonious crimes is not civil disobedience. MLK used civil disobedience to usher in the civil rights movement and new laws that created equality among all. he did not commit federal felony acts.
And yes, laws are laws. If you do not like them, then fight to get them changed. Do not become a felon just to prove a personal point or to address a personal opinion.
So I'm stealing from my neighbors if I don't pay taxes, but the government isn't stealing from me by collecting taxes I have no choice but to pay? Oh, thanks for clearing THAT up. And some of us believe rights are fundamental, natural rights that are not contingent upon anything other than sheer existence. You're advocating that if I don't voluntarily let the government take my money, then I shouldn't have any rights. Nice!
Correct. You do understand. If you use services and you do not pay for them, you are stealing services and are just as guilty as any other freeloader. I pay taxes and I get, police service, I get street lights, I get paved roads and is get civil order, I get a military that will defend this country and its interest. People who evade taxes are steeling from me because I have to pay more taxes becauese they do not.
I have no argument with what you statement - The only difference is that I am not going to become a felon. I am not going to go to a school with a weapon. We all have choices, and the law is what it is. If it is a felony to have a gun in a school zone, then I will not have a gun in a school zone or I will not go to a school zone.
Your argument is a about a law you disagree with- More power to you in changing it. And do not tell me you have to pick up a kid from school. :roll: Give them a damn bicycle and pick em up a mile away. Let em ride the bus, etc..... You have choices.
But that does not mean it is ok for felons to have access to weapons. Felons are bad people and they should not have weapons.
You are the one that used the term "stupid law". I only mention laws. They are what they are. I am not a law maker, I am a voter. I am not a law enforcement officer. I am also not a felon. It is up to our elected law makers to make or change laws. Thats what we elect them for. And one good law is that FELONS cannot have weapons. Thats a good law.
http://www.dumblaws.com/law/862By law, if a man promises to marry an unmarried woman, the marriage must take place.
Its a law- Want it changed, then write your law maker, vote , scream or whatever else you can legally do to effect change. Until it is changed I am not going to violate the law. If you willingly make a decision to become a felon - then you too do not deserve to have access to weapons.Raw milk
Ignorance to the law is no defense. Willfully ignorance is even less defensible. See my suggestion about IQ testing.
Lots of shoulders and coulds and accusations about being hypocritical. Yep- maybe so maybe not. Still does not make it right for someone to willingly become a felon. Does not defend a dumbarse from becoming a felon. Want to keep your rights, do not perform felonious actions. What is taxed is what our elected officials have decided can be taxed. We elected them, we gave them power and we can remove them. I personally think it is crazy to tax cigarettes. I think anyone stupid enough to smoke should be paid to kill themselves. A better world through attrition.
Evil or violent does not matter. degrees of felonies is not a legal term or deciding a factor at this time. And YES- a mistake made 17 years ago is still a mistake. Passage of time does not change history. A felon is a felon. If someone cannot defend their family then their family needs to find someone who can defend them and dump the damn felon!
Served their time- There are time limits for punishment and an attempt to reeducate the felon. An attempt to return them to society. But that does not change history and these bad people do not need more ammunition to commit further crimes. I am not a fortune teller- No but we know that bad people do bad things and once learned they are more likely to recommit bad crimes. Look up the rate of recidism in todays prisions!
I cannot think of a better mother.No apologies necessary to me, its only the internet. And besides- I think we have both been very civil. A bit impassioned, and that never hurt anyone
I love you too
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See ya the shootzenfest.
C_Carson said:Schools are GFSZ, and guess where shootings frequently happen? This is a stupid law that defies logic, strips people of their rights, and enforces dependence and expectation of government protection. Please give me ONE example of how this GFSZ law has actually prevented a shooting.
PCShogun said:Felons should not have the right to bear arms. Why? Because despite what we wish to feel, the law is a BLANKET that covers everything. You give a felon ,convicted of a law that really should have been a misdemeanor, his weapon back, then some lawyer is going to twist that into a precedent allowing all felons to have their weapons returned. While I would be willing to give the rights back to some, I am not willing to give them back to all.
armaborealis said:For a guy who's going to go out and commit armed robbery or attempt a murder, I can't imagine that the threat of being caught with a HiPoint is really going to deter him.
PCShogun said:armaborealis said:For a guy who's going to go out and commit armed robbery or attempt a murder, I can't imagine that the threat of being caught with a HiPoint is really going to deter him.
That is true, but in this case the law is not a deterrent, period. Does this mean we should just get rid of all laws as the law will not deter the true criminal anyway?