I just bought a Panzer Arms M4 Tactical shotgun, it's pretty nice, actually, but I liked my 870s and 1100s more. I haven't had the Turknelli long enough to get friendly with it yet. It's got Turkish walnut stocks, which appealed to me more so than the pistol-gripped models. It came WITH a flashlight mount, surprisingly enough.Just picked up a Turkish clone of the Benelli M4, and I have to say, I'm a big fan so far. Over 100 rounds of mixed bird, 00 buck, and slugs with very few hitches - some failures to fire in the first 10 rounds or so (basically burning off the packing grease).
Need to figure out what to do about night sights and/or a flashlight mount for this thing.
My cousin has one of the 32" barrelled waterfowl guns. He used to goose hunt a lot, and it was useful for that. He thought it was too heavy to pack turkey hunting, though, and just used an 1100 Magnum 12 for that. I shot three rounds thru it at clay birds. I hit every bird, as it threw enough shot to knock down a B-52. Massive thing, though. Like my cousin, I preferred the 1100 for most things.The Ithaca Mag-10 "Road Blocker"
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The Ithaca Mag-10 "Road Blocker" was designed by Ithaca for the law enforcement market and became available from 1978 until 1986. It was the tactical version of the Ithaca Mag-10 sporting shotgun (1975-1989). It was intended as a specialty shotgun specifically to stop vehicles (road blocks) and as an entry gun. The semi-auto design and the weight of the Mag-10 made it very controllable, but it was also bulky and did not lend itself to fast handling. The Roadblocker was advertised with both a 20" and 22" (which actually measured out to 21" 3/4) barrels. The option of a plain or vent barrel was also available. The shotgun had a parkerized finish on the barrel, receiver and non-checkered walnut stock and forearm. There were no Ithaca factory markings of the name "Roadblocker" on the shotgun receiver, barrel or stock or any identifying letters in the serial number. Ithaca marketing for the Roadblocker to law enforcement agencies declared the Mag-10 "can stop a car in its tracks." The Road Blocker is no longer in production, but Remington bought the rights to the design and have released their model designated SP-10.
Specifications
(1978 – 1986)
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- Type: Shotgun, semi-auto,gas-operated
- Caliber: 10 gauge (3.5") [19.7 x 89mmR]
- Weight: 11 lbs (5.1 kg)
- Length: 33 in (84 cm)
- Barrel length: 20 in (51 cm) and 22 in (56)
- Capacity: 2+1
- Fire Modes: Semi-Auto
The old Goose Guns that were in Vogue at the time actually produced lower velocities than shorter barreled shotguns. The Powders used were expended in the first 18-20" of barrel length. There was nothing but friction from that point on to reduce velocity.My cousin has one of the 32" barrelled waterfowl guns. He used to goose hunt a lot,
I was wondering if the 37 was going to get any love. My first brand new gun in 1968 went to my son when he turned 18z 12 ga went rib 28" full choke. Smoooooth!Ithaca Mod 37.View attachment 35929
Bob, I've had a couple of Ithaca 37 riot guns, they were smoooooooth, BUT the light weight made them "un-fun" to shoot. They were both slicker than snot (especially the nickeled 8 shot model my late brother left me), but they gave a frightful wallop compared to my 870s or S&W 3000s, about on par with a Mossberg (probably due to the lighter weights). 1100s and 11-87s were just plain sweet compared to the pumpguns, of course. I still like the sure actions of a good pumpgun, but I realize that autos now rule the roost.I was wondering if the 37 was going to get any love. My first brand new gun in 1968 went to my son when he turned 18z 12 ga went rib 28" full choke. Smoooooth!
The sight radius on the 32" barrels were useful for goose hunting, and if it slowed down the shot any, all that did was tighten the patterns a bit, as the shot didn't hit the choke so hard and didn't deform as much. The geese didn't care for it, either way.The old Goose Guns that were in Vogue at the time actually produced lower velocities than shorter barreled shotguns. The Powders used were expended in the first 18-20" of barrel length. There was nothing but friction from that point on to reduce velocity.
Long barrels were great for black powder shotguns which I have in the Uberti double barrel 12 gauge muzzle loader. Fun shotgun for dove season, but you can't see what you hit! LOL.
I'm trying to work up a Forester slug load for it to take a deer just to say I have.
The old Goose Guns that were in Vogue at the time actually produced lower velocities than shorter barreled shotguns. The Powders used were expended in the first 18-20" of barrel length. There was nothing but friction from that point on to reduce velocity.
Long barrels were great for black powder shotguns which I have in the Uberti double barrel 12 gauge muzzle loader. Fun shotgun for dove season, but you can't see what you hit! LOL.
I'm trying to work up a Forester slug load for it to take a deer just to say I have.
I love 37's but can't argue that they kill on one end and maim on the other! LolBob, I've had a couple of Ithaca 37 riot guns, they were smoooooooth, BUT the light weight made them "un-fun" to shoot. They were both slicker than snot (especially the nickeled 8 shot model my late brother left me), but they gave a frightful wallop compared to my 870s or S&W 3000s, about on par with a Mossberg (probably due to the lighter weights). 1100s and 11-87s were just plain sweet compared to the pumpguns, of course. I still like the sure actions of a good pumpgun, but I realize that autos now rule the roost.
I took the Benelli M4 wanna-be out this morning, and ran a box of trap loads thru it without a hiccup or burp. I guess it can be considered reliable now. Fairly soft recoil, I can't complain about that. I had the Modified choke tube in it, but I'll switch to the Full tube when I take it out to try it on coyotes and raccoons next month. I like it more and more every time I fool with it.I just bought a Panzer Arms M4 Tactical shotgun, it's pretty nice, actually, but I liked my 870s and 1100s more. I haven't had the Turknelli long enough to get friendly with it yet. It's got Turkish walnut stocks, which appealed to me more so than the pistol-gripped models. It came WITH a flashlight mount, surprisingly enough.
PANZER ARMS M4 WALNUT/DISRUPTIVE GRAY – SEMI-AUTOMATIC 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN | Panzer Arms USA
I've only shot 25 rounds thru it, some old handloads I put together 20+ years ago. 3 1/4-1 1/4 loads, not even magnums, but it worked right thru them like any 870 or 1100 I ever had. I still have an 870 tucked away, but it's rough, so rough that I haven't even shot it yet. It is absolutely the worst shotgun I ever had.
I was not aware of an adapter plug to feed shorty shells. On a 500 model. Where do you get this from? May I ask?I've owned my one, and only, Mossberg 500 12 gauge, for over 11 years now. For about $320, it came with both an 18 inch and a 28 inch ribbed barrel. I bought it mainly for home defense, and used it for clay targets one time. Fairly quickly, I added an orange hi-vis front sight behind the gold bead front sight (so I have both if I ever wanted to use the front bead)
Recently, I added the accessory plug that allows it to feed and fire the 1 3/4 inch Shorty shells. With published velocity @ 1100 fps, the recoil of the 12 gauge now has a very modest, dare I say pleasant recoil. It is an amazing night and day difference; which is greatly appreciated !!
In California, I have had to shop and wait to get what I wanted, but they do show up; it just took a little perseverance and a bit of patience. With my choice of loads of #00 or #04 buckshot for home defense (or even slugs), I'll also be adding a Surefire light I have along with a sling.
I'm set for the rest of my life ! And I think my smile at the range backs that up.