Comments and Questions that should be banned

[nikatkimber]

I'll make a different tack than blaming the drugs themselves:

To me it is apparent that our mental health treatment system needs to be reviewed: If nearly all said "mass murderers" (or even not mass murderers) were already on some type of prescription drug, that means they WERE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM! Just not receiving the treatment they needed. Whether that was being locked up, or some sort of ongoing treatment, doesn't matter. They weren't getting help.

ETA: I've said before that violent entertainment and/or guns may have been whatever it was that triggered someone to "go off the deep end" but that is because there was already a weak grasp of reality and moral standards. For someone who is mentally stable and has a good grasp on reality, such things are not going to make them suddenly go on a killing spree.

 

[Mattyvip]

Here is a list of comments and questions I compiled that make my blood boil and prove the ignorance of anyone who makes them or ask them. I added some commentary to each one.

Feel free to add your own

Anyone using the term “assault rifle”
What is an assault rifle?

Why do you need an AR-15?
Option 1: There isn’t a good answer to this when talking to a liberal so I just say, because!
Option 2: I don’t NEED one, but the Constitution of the United States guarantees that I CAN have one

Why do you need xxxxx rounds of ammunition?
Because I shoot a lot

News reports that someone in a traffic stop was found to have “xxxx rounds of ammo”
That could be most any of us going to a weekend match

I support the 2nd Amendment, I’m a hunter
The 2nd Amendment doesn’t have anything to do with hunting

I don’t think civilians should have that type of gun.
Why do you get to decide what platform I can or cannot operate?

The Vice-President will head up a task force on gun violence.
How about a task force on plain old violence?

After someone kills an attacker or a home invader in self defense, the news says “charges are not expected to be filed”
No elephant dung! Why would you even bother saying that?

You shouldn’t be able to order 10,000 rounds of ammo over the internet.
Option 1: Where else am I going to buy 10,000 rounds of ammo?
Option 2: Why not?

I don't think we are looking at the "need" part correctly. The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure that people could be armed against a Govt that turned tyrannical. If we are to adequatly defend ourselves against a tryannical govt I think we NEED the same or similar weapons to those who would try to take our guns/freedom ect... meaning if the govt orders the military to take our weapons we NEED ARs and AKs and high cap weapons to defend our lives and freedoms with. if that makes any sense.

 

[technetium-99m]

The support for people with mental illness is abysmal. Families are left to deal with serious issues that they don't have the training or experience to deal with. Ill leave it at that.

 

[Mattyvip]

The support for people with mental illness is abysmal. Families are left to deal with serious issues that they don't have the training or experience to deal with. Ill leave it at that.

I don't disagree. But banning guns or high cap magazines is going reduce their burden.

 

[technetium-99m]

I don't disagree. But banning guns or high cap magazines is going reduce their burden.

When did I say that?

 

[Mattyvip]

When the **** did I say that?

I didn't say you did. That just seems to be others arguments to support their legislation. I appologize if my comment wasn't clear.

 

[Wall]

When the **** did I say that?

whoa, calm down buddy

 

[Mattyvip]

I don't disagree. But banning guns or high cap magazines is going reduce their burden.

I also meant to say isn't. again, didn't mean to be unclear. Wasn't insinuating anyone implied or said anything.

 

[technetium-99m]

I edited it. Sorry guys.

I get a bit hot about people blaming things they have no idea about. We can keep blaming physicians and drugs or we can deal with our mentally ill. I have a feeling we are just going to keep doing bumpkis.

 

[StealthESW]

I edited it. Sorry guys.

I get a bit hot about people blaming things they have no idea about. We can keep blaming physicians and drugs or we can deal with our mentally ill. I have a feeling we are just going to keep doing bumpkis.

I get the feeling you have some experience with this subject. I happen to agree with you by the way. We do need to find a way to help families that have to deal with issues of mental illness. I can tell you it is not easy, but just because someone is depressed and/or on medication does not mean they are homicidal.

 

[nikatkimber]

I get the feeling you have some experience with this subject. I happen to agree with you by the way. We do need to find a way to help families that have to deal with issues of mental illness. I can tell you it is not easy, but just because someone is depressed and/or on medication does not mean they are homicidal.

I was discussing this with a coworker recently.

There is something seriously lacking in both treatment, but also in the stigma attached to admission of any mental issues.

 

[poopgiggle]

Yeah the stigma associated with seeking mental help is a big part of the problem.

Mandatory reporting laws like the one just passed in NY make it even worse. Not only will mental health professionals over-report to reduce liability, but people who need treatment will be even less likely to seek it out than they were before.

 

[Dux-R-Us]

Frankly Burk, the title of your thread boils my blood. Are really you in favour of denying any person their First Ammendment Rights simply because they might have a different viewpoint? I don't believe that you would be.

What I garner from the comments on this forum are that too many gun owners are irrationally angry, even hateful, towards those that do not think or believe as they do. If gun owners are going to garner support for their causes, the rhetoric of anger and hate will do more harm than good. Acting and reacting in such a way gives gun oppenents more fodder to use against gun owners and further resolve to break down the NRA and its goals. The image of an angry white male American waving a gun and appearing to care more about weapons than lives is how much of our opposition sees us. We should not be duped into their trapppings.

As an American, I am deeply saddened to see another wedge driven into our country that divides us as a people. The deviseness of anti gun-pro gun, Democrat-Republican, white-black-hispanic, Christian-Muslim, etc. etc. and resulting xenophobia that breeds hatred and intolerance only weakens us as a free people and nation.

Regards,

Kevin

 

[Burk Cornelius]

Kevin, you know I don't mean that they should not be allowed to voice their opinion. The title doesn't mean I am opposed to the 1st Amendment. It was meant "tounge-in-cheek". Its just a list of things that upset me, take them for what they are

What I am opposed to is ignorance. That is something that the Constitution can't protect us from

 

[poopgiggle]

What I garner from the comments on this forum are that too many gun owners are irrationally angry, even hateful, towards those that do not think or believe as they do.

It's easier to drive donations to the NRA with "THE EVIL SOCIALISTS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA" than "these misguided people are trying to make things better but we think they'll make things worse."

 

[Dux-R-Us]

It's easier to drive donations to the NRA with "THE EVIL SOCIALISTS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA" than "these misguided people are trying to make things better but we think they'll make things worse."

Congratulations, you could be the next Wayne La Pierre, except probably with a higher IQ. icknose:

 

[Dux-R-Us]

What I am opposed to is ignorance. That is something that the Constitution can't protect us from

Of course Burk I knew you were teasing, but email can't convey that real good. I am too infuriated by ignorance. As an academic I strive to combat it, but it is an uphill, often thankless battle.

 

[Dux-R-Us]

And everything we stand for and enjoy as Christians... and as Americans... is under attack.

I don't see how Christian = gun owner and vice-versa. If people believe in God or whomever, whatever, they might as well believe in Mother Goose. They both make about equal sense to me. Christians being under attack? Does'nt that come with the ideology of being a Christian? Christians have been persecuted for 2000 years. Why should they expect that to stop now? Has the idea of being martyred for one's belief gone out of style?

 

[nikatkimber]

It's easier to drive donations to the NRA with "THE EVIL SOCIALISTS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA" than "these misguided people are trying to make things better but we think they'll make things worse."

The masses that agree with gun control may be misguided, but I have a hard time believing that all the politicians truly think that what they are going after is going to help anything.

 

[PDN]

And everything we stand for and enjoy as Christians... and as Americans... is under attack.


I don't see how Christian = gun owner and vice-versa. If people believe in God or whomever, whatever, they might as well believe in Mother Goose. They both make about equal sense to me. Christians being under attack? Does'nt that come with the ideology of being a Christian? Christians have been persecuted for 2000 years. Why should they expect that to stop now? Has the idea of being martyred for one's belief gone out of style?

Taking a few of my words without considering and sharing the context of my entire post seems to be a bit misleading and intellectually dishonest. My entire post is below...

I never said Christians = gun owners so I'm not sure I clearly understand that comment. I am a Christian but will always support and respect other faiths (even those with none) and other points of view. Comparing God to Mother Goose doesn't seem helpful to me but again, I support your right to express your opinion. I am an educated Christian man who is passionate about his beliefs but am always respectful and open to other points of view. I am not angry or ingnorant... or intolerant... and I will not allow myself to be labeled as such.

Go get them Burk!!! I agree it's pure ignorance... And the hypocrisy of it all is what really bothers me the most. The bill of rights protects us with many freedoms... Speech and religion, assembly, bearing arms, fair trial, due process, etc... We don't get to pick and choose from among this list. These are rights guaranteed to us in our constitution. It may be the 2nd amendment now... But what rights will be questioned or eroded next? Free speech may evolve into free speech as long as your speech isn't at odds with societal norms (this is actually already happening under the guise of political correctness). These rights were written in plain, broad language so they would and could not be misunderstood. Is our constitution perfect? Of course not... But it does do a pretty good job of preserving these basic rights for all Americans. These are very dangerous and concerning times... And everything we stand for and enjoy as Christians... and as Americans... is under attack. I hope we can find our roots (by looking to our past and not FORWARD) and that we will survive this very disturbing and transformative momentum that the left seems to enjoy at the moment.

My original post was about my concerns regarding a clear and present danger... and what I consider to be a dire threat to our liberty... and to our freedoms. It's not just about gun control or the 2nd amendement. Its not just about free speech or freedom of religion... it's about our way of life... and the very foundational ideas on which this country was founded. In my opinion (and it is only my opinion), many of these freedoms are under attack. Freedom of speech is being limited. God and Christianity are under attack as well. Other freedoms such as the right to bear arms... are being questioned and/or eroded. What's happening now is the culmination of decades of work... a 'progressive' re-interpretation of the constitution... and a deliberate and well orchestrated attempt to rewrite or redefine or repackage our liberty into something that looks quite different than what our founding fathers intended. The constitution is certainly not perfect but it establishes a system that protects our basic rights and freedoms and ensures against tyranny and that power and liberty rest solely with the people... not the government.