Church concealed carry

Oldtimer · Oct 26, 2011

not2old2shoot said:
Good article.

http://learntocarry....d-Sheepdogs.pdf

very interesting and good article, thought my son who's a LEO in NE might like it.

kinggabby · Dec 21, 2011

LStevens said:
Christ had the power to call an army of angels in his defense yet scolded Peter when he used his sword.

It seems to me the reason Christ scolded Peter was because of what was going on. It was his time to be taken into custody and to be put to death. Peter was not really defending he was attacking. Notice what he continues to tell Peter... He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

McGuire · Dec 21, 2011

I think that God gave us a brain, we all know that terrible things happen to people, and we dont understand why, God has a plan but just because you think God will protect you doesnt mean that he doesnt have it in his plan to test you. Bad things happen to everyone, good, bad or indifferent, I think God gave me the mind that I have for a reason. God says "do not test the Lord your God", and Ill not test his ability to protect me without need. God never said it would all be peachy keen, not matter what the deacon said. If I am in a situation that I had no control over and I need him, he will be there, but when I place myself in danger then say "Gods got my back", seems like a test to me. Ill just keep the faith and continue reloading.

As far as schools, how can we ignore the tragedies of VT, Columbine (a middle school friend of mines aunt was the teacher that died there) and countless other instances around the world where if only one person had been carrying, had the tool to stop the madness, they could have ended it.

dennishoddy · Dec 22, 2011

Just my opinion, but Church, religion has no relationship on where I can carry. Bad people exist in every enviroment. One should protect themselves in the same.

Deacon · Dec 22, 2011

McGuire said:
I think that God gave us a brain, we all know that terrible things happen to people, and we dont understand why, God has a plan but just because you think God will protect you doesnt mean that he doesnt have it in his plan to test you. Bad things happen to everyone, good, bad or indifferent, I think God gave me the mind that I have for a reason. God says "do not test the Lord your God", and Ill not test his ability to protect me without need. God never said it would all be peachy keen, not matter what the deacon said. If I am in a situation that I had no control over and I need him, he will be there, but when I place myself in danger then say "Gods got my back", seems like a test to me. Ill just keep the faith and continue reloading.

My sentiments exactly. I don't know what post you read, but the "God said it would all be peachy keen" thing didn't come from me.

dennishoddy said:
Just my opinion, but Church, religion has no relationship on where I can carry. Bad people exist in every enviroment. One should protect themselves in the same.

I think you pretty much summed it up.

From a religious AND secular standpoint, we all have free will; some choose to do good, some choose to do evil, and some choose to do nothing. Keeping that in perspective, bad things happen to good people everyday and it's all a part (by-product) of the grand plan. So, to be anywhere without the ability to protect yourself is an assumption of grace.

And like Kinggabby said, Simon Peter was scolded for interfering, not for carrying a sword. One can, in fact, infer that he was open carrying *ahem*.

McGuire · Dec 22, 2011

Deacon said:
My sentiments exactly. I don't know what post you read, but the "God said it would all be peachy keen" thing didn't come from me.

Not you bro, like a church deacon! sorry for the confusion...lol

shootingbuff · Dec 25, 2011

I was going to leave this one alone but here is a couple of thoughts. Back in the day..,the sword was the weapon of choice. There are places that talk about swords some good some not so good for the good guys.
Now to stress the will and desire of some BGs wanting to jack up Christians and their place of worship
http://news.yahoo.co...-081741789.html
If you don't think it can happen here go check out DoJs/FBI press releases. Things have slowed down a bit but go back only 2 years and you will see a lot of supporters or folks geared personally to hurt Americans here in America and abroad. This is all public knowledge with free access. Yet it doesn't hit main stream media to include FOX.
Boys and girls there are folks that don't know you other than you being an American or Christian and they want to destroy both. Lets not forget the Meth, the gangs and those that just want your stuff because you have it and they don't. Look at the churches bombed / firebombed since the 60s until now as well.
Last yr over the holidays there was a lot of home invasions in OK, I have not heard of any this yr but haven't looked. Just don't think we are safe in our country, in our town or at home, let alone anywhere else.
If you carry it is your choice. Main thing I guess is don't be naive and be informed to make informed decisions.

shootingbuff · Jan 4, 2012

poopgiggle · Jan 10, 2012

This joke is older than dirt but

A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing, with water surrounding the farmer's home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up, The man in the boat says "Jump in, I'll take you to safety."
The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, "Nope, I put my trust in God."
The boat goes away. The water rises to the second floor. Another boat comes up, the man says to the farmer who is now in the second story window, "Jump in, I'll save you."
The farmer again says, "Nope, I put my trust in God."
The boat goes away. Now the water is up to the roof. As The farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer "I'll save you, climb the ladder."
The farmer says "Nope, I put my trust in God."
The helicopter goes away. The water comtinues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof. He drowns.
The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says "What are you doing here?"
The farmer says "I put my trust in you and you let me down."
God says, "What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!!!"

Whether by luck or divine providence, you live in a country where handguns are readily available. You also live in a state where legally carrying one is simple. Furthermore, you have the financial means to buy one without too much hardship. What other kind of protection do you expect, exactly?

McGuire · Jan 10, 2012

I can tell you, I have seen people that have been hit by ak and pistol rounds while wearing SAPI's...its not a joke, you will break ribs, you will get the wind knocked out of you and I know at least the SAPI plates issued to the Marine Corps are only rated to withstand a couple of shots, the ceramic plates crack and break apart after a few rounds. Its like getting hit in the chest with a hammer. If it doesnt kill him it will def slow him down and give you a chance to put him down. Also something that plates dont stop are moblility kills, or shots to the pelvis, shoot the hips, the target falls, keep pumping rounds into that area and try to hit under the vest or go for head shots.

Eellis · Jan 12, 2012

Well said poopgiggle. I believe when you ask god for something he doesn't just plop it down in front of you he gives you the opportunity to get it yourself.

Mitch Rapp · Mar 28, 2012

http://www.guns.com/...ter-church.html

A concealed carry permit holder in Boiling Springs, SC was able to detain a shooter at his local church this Sunday until Sheriff's deputies arrived on the scene.

Jesse Gates, an attendee at Boiling Springs' South Side Freewill Baptist Church was acting like he was having a heart attack on Sunday morning, according to Rev. Henry Guyton. Gates was cleared by EMS and left the premises, only to return later that morning and pull at shotgun out of the trunk of his car. Rev. Guyton's grandson, Aaron Guyton, saw Gates pull the shotgun out and immediately went into the main building of the church and locked the doors. Gates kicked in the side door. Aaron Guyton, a concealed weapons permit holder, held Gates at gunpoint while church member Jesse Smith and Leland Powers held him to the floor waiting for deputies to arrive.

Gates has been charged with second-degree burglary, disturbing a place of worship, kidnapping and three counts of pointing and presenting a firearm. The arrest warrants state that Gates pointed the shotgun at Smith, Rev. Henry Guyton and Powers and that the man intended to kidnap the pastor.

nikatkimber · Mar 28, 2012

Awesome!

Joel Clouse · Mar 29, 2012

Great find Kevin!

I think there are a couple of truths that should be considered when one decides whether or not carrying in church is OK for them. The Bible as a whole is a violent book. God kills people throughout the bible Himself, and God uses people and armies to wipe out entire races of people. Example - King David was " a man after God's own heart" and he killed many men. Some killings where approved by God, some weren't (along with some other things he did). Jesus told His bros to sell their coat to buy a sword if they didn't have one, when they said they had two, Jesus said that was enough - He was good with it. But Jesus didn't approve of Paul's zeal with his sword when he cut off the guard's ear in Gethsemane. In my belief, killing is different than murder, if we want to think about the Commandments. I think in the Bible, as well as carrying in a church, it's about intent. Are we carrying because we might GET to use it, or are we carrying because we might HAVE to use it to save someone's life?

If it's something that you feel strongly about, on either side of the issue, stand by your convictions. If there are folks who think that carrying in church is a sin, than I would agree with them and call it a sin - for them, and not let it get in the way of what we are there for. If I carry in church because that's what I feel I'm led to do, that's between God and me. Scripture is clear on not judging folks, you don't know what's going on in their spirit, or in other parts of their lives. It's best to check ourselves and make sure it's not us in the wrong.

This is what I believe and I don't want to get into a pissing contest. I hate religion and the garbage it creates, but I'm tight with Jesus and I know He loves me no matter how big an ass I make of myself!

seanspivey08 · Jul 16, 2012

Google Church shootings in Colorado Springs around 2006 or 2007.......Thats why I carry everywhere!!

Jason1 · Jul 30, 2012

Burk Cornelius said:
Great points Kevin. I'll bet those people still wear their seat belts on the way to church.

Here is a nice website that can be used to help educate those who feel that carrying and Christianity don't go together. Christian Gun Owner

Nice website. Thanks for posting link.

elcabob · Aug 10, 2012

Dux-R-Us said:
The idea of having a weapon on my person at Mass is so profane to me I might as well stand up during the Liturgy of the Eucharist and yell F**k!

My thoughts on Catholic doctrine run a bit differently. We are taught that God gave us freewill. It may well be the freewill of some person to come in while the mass is being celebrated and shoot, stab, etc. I will use the freewill God gave me to defend myself, my family, and, if necessary, others.

The liberalization of the Church has created many that would look down upon that attitude. I believe that, in the event of such an intruder, people would say "why did you let this happen, God. Why didn't you protect me." God, I believe, would reapond, "I gave you every tool you needed to protect yourself. You chose not to use them."

steak · Aug 11, 2012

elcabob said:
My thoughts on Catholic doctrine run a bit differently. We are taught that God gave us freewill. It may well be the freewill of some person to come in while the mass is being celebrated and shoot, stab, etc. I will use the freewill God gave me to defend myself, my family, and, if necessary, others.

The liberalization of the Church has created many that would look down upon that attitude. I believe that, in the event of such an intruder, people would say "why did you let this happen, God. Why didn't you protect me." God, I believe, would reapond, "I gave you every tool you needed to protect yourself. You chose not to use them."

You put my thoughts about this into words, good job

gprod55 · Oct 6, 2012

Have any of you heard about the Black Robe Brigade from the Revolutionary War? Its great having a gun tottin Bible thumper as a Preacher.

MetropolisLakeOutfitters · Dec 26, 2013

Kevin S. said:
Carrying a gun isn't a lack of faith. I have the faith that if I find myself in a situation where it's necessary to use my gun, God will give me the strength and judgement to do what is required so that I and other innocent people may continue to live quiet and peaceable lives.

It is nearly impossible to discuss these things without becoming an outcast in some people's eyes but I would like to respectfully disagree. Reason being, you could say the same exact thing about stockpiling food, I mean, storing food in case of an emergency isn't a lack of faith... is it? Scripture directly tells us that it is.

Read Matthew 6:25-34, which coincides with Luke 12:22-32. Jesus literally tells us to TAKE NO THOUGHT for our life, what we will eat, what we will wear, what we will drink, etc. Instead we are told to literally sell all that we have and give alms. That simply is not compatible with the mindset that we should stockpile and carry weapons. We are literally supposed to give it all away and trust that God will provide for us.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.