Am I just dumb? (please read before answering

MrTheBigOx

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Yesterday noticed somthing at the range while almost everyone will shoot more precise shots than me (its almost like they are trying to shoot groups).
I just go, I seem to just get my red front site on the target anywhere and pull the trigger. Im not its the best idea yet, yesterday I was around 7 to 8 seconds faster than the rest of the iorn sited guns, but I got a 4 second penilty on a no shoot/miss which personally I think is a made up rule.
Perhaps its just im the only one shooting minor who has any drive even the open guys were having a shitty day kept stuffing the course of fire up and the other well...
Also double tapping clangers isnt a good idea im sure this cost me over a second probibly two.

Whats your thoughts
 
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I'm really confused, was there a question in there somewhere? Are you asking if you should slow down and get good hits? Or go faster and get perimeter hits? Or are no shoot/misses a made up rule? I'm just curious.
 
Yea should i slow down just a hair?
just ordanary ipsc
What I was trying to ask is do you swing over paper shoot and go or do you try to get a's? but 4am posting isnt too smart I guess
 
You should always be aiming for the A Zone unless the target is a partial with a No Shoot or Hardcover across it. Then accepting a C is acceptable.
 
I tried to find a semi pro to get tips from today, but I didn't see anyone with a semi pro name tag on. So on my own I found out that if I slow down just long enough to see the sights on the target before squeezing the trigger, I tend to actually hear more alpha and charlies called out than mikes! I was a revelation. I came home and wrote about it in my diary!
 
Shooting IPSC is a points per second type of scoring. Example:We are both shooting MAJOR. You shoot 2 x D in 2 seconds (4 pts/2 seconds=2 hit factor). I shoot 2 x A in 4 seconds (10pts/4seconds=2.5 hit factor). I just beat your really fast but unaccurate run by doubling the time and getting more than twice the points.

"You can't miss fast enough to win" applies here. If you practice to miss then you will miss. If you only try and get marginaly hits on the target then you will only get marginal hits on the target. The key word is "marginal" because you will have most of the bullets in the margin or off the target entirely.

Good luck.

Tom
 
It takes no longer for your sights to get onto the dead solid center of the paper, in the A-zone, than any other spot on the target.
 
I've only been doing this a few months but I don't worry about being fast, but being accurate. I'm more surprised every time I hear 2 alpha when scoring. Speed will follow accuracy.

Remember "Smooth is fast, Fast is smooth."
 
I won the coveted L10 title last year at double tap championship with less hits and less time than a very good higher classed shooter who took second. Obviously always aim for an alpha but know when to call it good enough and take a Charlie or two. Once the hit factor climbs over 7 you need to start looking more at speed.
 
One of the biggest revelations i ever had when learning how to shoot USPSA, is that you cannot see your self shoot fast. If your pistol is zeroed, you aim for the A zone, use trigger reset for follow up shots, and shoot at your own pace you will (with a lot of practice & shooting 90% "A's") become faster. Track your progress and watch the speed come. The general rule of thumb i was taught is that for every hour of Live Fire practice per week, you should do two hours of Dry Fire Practice per week. After 6 months or so, you should see marked improvement. Remember "Perfect Practice makes Perfect".
 
Hit factor is a scoring system. I have never walked up to a stage and said "this is a 10 hit factor stage, I should shoot faster". That's because if it's a 10 hit factor stage, the target setup and stage layout is closer and shorter. Your going to be shooting faster anyway.

There's an easy answer, it's just not easy to execute all the time. Get an acceptable sight picture in the scoring zone you want to hit and break the shot. The speed at which you do that is determined by your fundementals, shot calling ability and target difficulty. The reason people shoot faster than thier ability to hit alphas is because they have a safety net, the C and D zone. Watch those people shoot at a smaller steel or penalty target and they fall apart.

The people who win matches shoot more points faster and execute good stage plans faster with minimal mistakes. Consistency.

The whole "a C shot is acceptable if it's fast" thing is great until you hit high A class, Master and GM. Those guys get those alphas, and they do it fast. A good example is the 2012 Texas state limited match. Kale Garretson won limited by 9% shooting his production gun and minor points..

You want to be that guy.
 
Eric Gambill said:
Hit factor is a scoring system. I have never walked up to a stage and said "this is a 10 hit factor stage, I should shoot faster". That's because if it's a 10 hit factor stage, the target setup and stage layout is closer and shorter. Your going to be shooting faster anyway.

There's an easy answer, it's just not easy to execute all the time. Get an acceptable sight picture in the scoring zone you want to hit and break the shot. The speed at which you do that is determined by your fundementals, shot calling ability and target difficulty. The reason people shoot faster than thier ability to hit alphas is because they have a safety net, the C and D zone. Watch those people shoot at a smaller steel or penalty target and they fall apart.

The people who win matches shoot more points faster and execute good stage plans faster with minimal mistakes. Consistency.

The whole "a C shot is acceptable if it's fast" thing is great until you hit high A class, Master and GM. Those guys get those alphas, and they do it fast. A good example is the 2012 Texas state limited match. Kale Garretson won limited by 9% shooting his production gun and minor points..

You want to be that guy.
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C's hurt you less over 7 hit factor. You should turn it up on the high hit factor stages. While still aiming for all alphas be willing to push the speed more when the hit factors are higher.
 
Competitions where you are scored on speed and accuracy require a balance between the two.

You should shoot as fast as you can while keeping your shots inside the no-penalty zone on the targets.
 
Jesse Tischauser said:
C's hurt you less over 7 hit factor. You should turn up on the high hit factor stages. While still aiming for all alphas be willing to push the speed more when the hit factors are higher.
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Like I said, that's great thinking in B and C class where you can out run the points your competitors are shooting and the penalties they get. I used to win club matches years ago on the fact that I was just faster than everyone at the match. Then i went to bigger clubs and majors and got my butt kicked.

When you push you lose consistency. You make mistakes that turn into more match points lost than if you would just shoot at a comfortable "match" pace and call your shots. Speed is dictated by the difficulty of the target....
 
Matt Rigsby said:
No matter how fast or slow you're going, the A-zone should always be your target.
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That's not always true. On partial targets you should be aiming for the center of the available target which maybe for the most part C zone.
 
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