Chambers Custom The Barrel Fit Challenge

DukeSoprano · Jan 4, 2019

It should be smooth all the way across but not go up the ramp at all?

John Galt · Jan 5, 2019

I have not checked any of mine yet but I am wondering........

If I were to do this test with a gun that has always run perfectly and it failed, what would be the point? What would it tell me?

Would it be an indicator of potential short life span? Is this a test more appropriate to an off the bench pistol prior to use or for checking at 2000, 5000, 10000, etc?

Could a pistol be hand fit so it worked perfectly and yet fail this test? Or is this the de facto test of precision fit?

Please advise

Thanks

John Galt · Jan 5, 2019

In post # 8 above....exactly what am I seeing?

The ink not touched should have been worn to a shine on the $7500 example?

The ink only barely removed on the $6500? And that shows the barrel and barrel link and slide stop are not fitted evenly or at all?

I appreciate your insight.

Thanks

Joe C · Jan 5, 2019

DukeSoprano said:
It should be smooth all the way across but not go up the ramp at all?

Duke, yes, in an ideal world, the flat "bearing surface" and rear curves should be contacting the slide stop and the ramp up to the bearing surface should have no contact.

Joe C · Jan 5, 2019

John Galt said:
I have not checked any of mine yet but I am wondering........

If I were to do this test with a gun that has always run perfectly and it failed, what would be the point? What would it tell me?

Would it be an indicator of potential short life span? Is this a test more appropriate to an off the bench pistol prior to use or for checking at 2000, 5000, 10000, etc?

Could a pistol be hand fit so it worked perfectly and yet fail this test? Or is this the de facto test of precision fit?

Please advise

Thanks

There are many guns out there that probably run perfectly that don't have barrel fit. That doesn't mean they are properly built, especially depending on the asking price. In a sub $2000.00 gun I really don't expect a barrel fit. In a $7500.00 custom I expect the barrel to be fit as properly as possible in all regards. Poor barrel fit means poor accuracy and in some cases parts failure. Yes, a gun can be fit in such a way that everything else is perfect but there is no barrel leg fit.

John Galt said:
In post # 8 above....exactly what am I seeing?

The ink not touched should have been worn to a shine on the $7500 example?

The ink only barely removed on the $6500? And that shows the barrel and barrel link and slide stop are not fitted evenly or at all?

I appreciate your insight.

Thanks

In both cases you mention above there is little to no barrel leg fit.

DavidC · Feb 22, 2019

Hello,
Thank you for adding me, I am new to the forum.
Baer TRS barrel fit challenge

azpoolguy · Feb 22, 2019

There is a lot going on there.

DavidC · Feb 22, 2019

AZ - This is why I am going to have Joe build me a work horse!

Bender · Feb 23, 2019

As many are noticing, there are many different ideologies when it comes to barrel fit. I haven't seen many, if any, builders or manufactures refuting Joe's philosophy. I hate to make assumptions but this lack of argument from others would tends to make me believe this is the proper method of fit. I really would like to hear and understand why others don't fit girls like CCP. I would think it is either lack of knowledge, lack of effort, or lack of time. Other builders do seem to have A method that creates similar accuracy from a new gun. My thoughts are what happens to the accuracy after the parts are beat into submission and battered into place?

azpoolguy · Feb 23, 2019

Bender said:
As many are noticing, there are many different ideologies when it comes to barrel fit. I haven't seen many, if any, builders or manufactures refuting Joe's philosophy. I hate to make assumptions but this lack of argument from others would tends to make me believe this is the proper method of fit. I really would like to hear and understand why others don't fit girls like CCP. I would think it is either lack of knowledge, lack of effort, or lack of time. Other builders do seem to have A method that creates similar accuracy from a new gun. My thoughts are what happens to the accuracy after the parts are beat into submission and battered into place?

For me it comes down to price point. If my 1911 was $550 I would not expect a full barrel fit. In the $4k-$10k range it better have a full barrel fit.

What frustrates me is seeing the money guys are spending on builds and I can achieve better results in my garage with minimal training and experience .

Joe C · Feb 23, 2019

azpoolguy said:
There is a lot going on there. View attachment 3971

Yep...a lot wrong...

Bender said:
As many are noticing, there are many different ideologies when it comes to barrel fit. I haven't seen many, if any, builders or manufactures refuting Joe's philosophy. I hate to make assumptions but this lack of argument from others would tends to make me believe this is the proper method of fit. I really would like to hear and understand why others don't fit BARRELS like CCP. I would think it is either lack of knowledge, lack of effort, or lack of time. Other builders do seem to have A method that creates similar accuracy from a new gun. My thoughts are what happens to the accuracy after the parts are beat into submission and battered into place?

There, I fixed that for you. The only builders I've ever seen get the same accuracy long term out of their guns that I have, generally do it the same way I do because they were taught the same was I was or very similar.

azpoolguy said:
For me it comes down to price point. If my 1911 was $550 I would not expect a full barrel fit. In the $4k-$10k range it better have a full barrel fit.

What frustrates me is seeing the money guys are spending on builds and I can achieve better results in my garage with minimal training and experience .

And now that you have seen and (I assume shot Steve's) you know how it can be so your expectations are now founded by your own experience.

Bender · Feb 23, 2019

Dang autocorrect..........

Thanks Joe

Fred_G · Feb 25, 2019

I had a tough time getting good picts of this one. All Sharpied up:

Fred_G · Feb 25, 2019

After:

Dan Wesson PM-C

azpoolguy · Feb 25, 2019

Fred_G said:
After: View attachment 4005 View attachment 4006Dan Wesson PM-C

That is one of the better production pistols posted so far. A bit of barrel bump on the one side but then it looks like it transitions the slide stop pin to the barrel feet nicely.

Fred_G · Feb 25, 2019

I still say DW is the best production gun for the money... I think that is more of a glare than barrel bump, but I am happy with it.

OldGunner_43 · Mar 7, 2019

OK;
Finally got some Dykem and will start checking out the 1911s in my stable. Almost afraid to see the results on some of my higher-priced pistols.

azpoolguy · Mar 7, 2019

OldGunner_43 said:
OK;
Finally got some Dykem and will start checking out the 1911s in my stable. Almost afraid to see the results on some of my higher-priced pistols.

This could be exciting.