FN SLP vs. Benelli M1 & M2

McGuire said:
Everyone I have met so far on this forum bar a few bashes FN, I might point out that they are the largest military contractor for firearms, and the inovator of many of the best and newest designs out there. I like benellis, nothing wrong with them, but its seems to be a Ford/Chevy Argument. To each his own I guess but I dont see a reason to bash other manufacturers becasue you dont prefer them.
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FNH makes the 2nd best shotgun for 3 gun. That's pretty good!

When I shot the 2010 Pan American Shotgun Championship with shooters from all of the world the Benelli pumps and autos had to outnumber anything else 4-1. Heck my squad of 10 or so all had benellis except one lonely Winchester 1300 which was run by a man who is now on Team Benelli. The Italians legally had to run the spaghetti slingers I think.
 
These guys who run 3 gun can bust a Remington 11-87. I dont think that it's so much the quality of the other shotguns...it's the ability of the Benelli to run in a specialized , hard use venue.
If the bones are there folks will develop the right parts to purpose build anything. Right now Benelli build the bones...

Mossberg and Jerry Miculek got together this season... if they can beef up a gun that can win without breakage that will be the rage next year.

I dont think the other sporting shotgun factories see the money... maybe it's not there.
 
Jeff said:
maybe it's not there.
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There are millions of hunters, something like 7 million. There are 20,000 USPSA members. How many 3-Gunners? <1,000? The money isn't there. It's a good format for bringing the cream of the gun crop to the top, though. Just for shits $700 x 1000 = $700,000 but $700 x 7,000,000 = $4,900,000,000.
 
Kevin S. said:
Is this a point for or against FNs? I mean, most military contracts are decided by bureaucrats rather than by war fighters.....
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The men who actually test the weapons and give them a thumbs up or down are military operators, the money part is where bureaucracy comes in. If they were choosing on merit then the H&K XM8 would never have been shut down...

I guess Ill just have to shoot the FN and see how it goes. I really just prefer the feel of the FN to the benelli so far, BUT/HOWEVER , Pause for effect, I have had my mind changed before, something about not being a jersey wearing billboard, but I realized, as jesse said, get good and they give you free stuff...guess im a sellout, as long as I get free elephant dung, BRING IT ON!!
 
Mitch Gibson said:
There are millions of hunters, something like 7 million. There are 20,000 USPSA members. How many 3-Gunners? <1,000? The money isn't there. It's a good format for bringing the cream of the gun crop to the top, though. Just for shits $700 x 1000 = $700,000 but $700 x 7,000,000 = $4,900,000,000.
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There were over 2,000 people that participated in a 3 gun nation event last year. You can probably double or triple that to get the number of guys that shoot at the club level.
 
McGuire said:
The men who actually test the weapons and give them a thumbs up or down are military operators, the money part is where bureaucracy comes in. If they were choosing on merit then the H&amp;K XM8 would never have been shut down...

I guess Ill just have to shoot the FN and see how it goes. I really just prefer the feel of the FN to the benelli so far, BUT/HOWEVER , Pause for effect, I have had my mind changed before, something about not being a jersey wearing billboard, but I realized, as jesse said, get good and they give you free stuff...guess im a sellout, as long as I get free elephant dung, BRING IT ON!!
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I've seen an awful lot more FNs and Winchesters (same shotgun, btw) take a dump than benellis of all flavors. As a not jersey wearing billboard.

I believe that shotgun is not adopted by any military, so I don't think it has been wrung out by 'operators' in any official capacity.
 
McGuire said:
I guess Ill just have to shoot the FN and see how it goes. I really just prefer the feel of the FN to the benelli so far, BUT/HOWEVER , Pause for effect, I have had my mind changed before, something about not being a jersey wearing billboard, but I realized, as jesse said, get good and they give you free stuff...guess im a sellout, as long as I get free elephant dung, BRING IT ON!!
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Just be ready for the 'I told you so.' :)

Sure, it's Ford vs. Chevy.....Pinto VS. Corvette. You choose!

And I don't own any Benelli shirts.
 
Jesse Tischauser said:
There were over 2,000 people that participated in a 3 gun nation event last year. You can probably double or triple that to get the number of guys that shoot at the club level.
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You're still talking a thousand percent difference between the number of potential buyers of shotguns for hunting versus competing. I don't think that marketing a competition shotgun makes sense as a spend beyond the initial product release, but producing one from an off-the-shelf product would be prudent if it weren't too labor/material intensive.
 
Long before I ever thought about any sort of competition shooting, I always was after the best gun for the money. In HS and college i bird hunted with an old Winchester 1200. Sometimes in college, my dad let me take his Remington 1100. I preferred my dad's semi-auto to my pump until I took it out in sub-optimal conditions. The first was a 10 degree morning duck hunt. The action cycled so slow that I could fire a shot, flip the gun 45 degrees and watch the bolt close 3 secs later. Since it was a late season duck hunt, I thought I would give it another chance.

Opening day of the next duck season I talked my dad into loaning me his remington 1100 again. First group of birds come in and we jump up and start shooting. Rem 1100 turns into a single shot. After the hunt is over and we get back the house I break down the gun. The O ring to hold the gas seal is in about 4 different pieces. Not too many places in NW Oklahoma to buy O rings. I should have had a replacement.

Those 2 events happened less than 12 months apart and I swore I would never buy a semi-auto that wasn't inertia driven. I graduated college broke like most grads. I wanted to upgrade the Winchester 1200 that only fire 2-3/4" shells to something better for ducks, geese and pheasant. I looked at a Benelli, but it didn't fit the price range. I refuse to buy a semi-auto that isnt a benelli I bought a Remington 870 supermag and haven't looked back.

I was one of the guys with a pump shotgun in WillR's earlier post. Everything other than a pump or a Benelli failed.

Hopefully I can stack up my m&m's and get a Benelli later this year.
 
http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002

"The SLP and SLP Mark I represent the ultimate in shotgun performance for 3-Gun action shooting competition or personal defense. No other shotgun has more 3-Gun Tactical Division wins than the FN SLP. All SLP models offer 3" chambers and extended magazine tubes. The SLP model features an 18" barrel, a MIL-STD 1913 top rail with adjustable ghost ring rear sight and a high-profile protected front sight. The SLP Mark I offers a 22" barrel with cantilever scope base, adjustable rear sight and a fiber-optic front sight. The SLP Mark I is also available in a rifled barrel model for optimal accuracy with slugs."

FN SLP MK1 Competition Shotgun:

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002&mid=FNM0202

NOW does somebody want to buy my FN SLP MK1?
 
McGuire said:
The men who actually test the weapons and give them a thumbs up or down are military operators, the money part is where bureaucracy comes in. If they were choosing on merit then the H&K XM8 would never have been shut down...
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I was thinking of things like the Sig 226 vs the Beretta 96. Politicians saw to it that Beretta got the contract, even though Sig was favored by the end users. So, yeah, I guess we agree.
 
Wow...people are taking this the wrong way, I shot my FN SLP for the first time, granted its had some work done. Lifter welded, loading port worked, trigger job, it still shot 5 different loads without a single hiccup. I was impressed, matches will show its true colors, but I am optomistic. As far as the Beretta vs Sig argument, the SEALS do use the Sig, Chevy vs Ford, how about we compare apples and apples, a gt40 vs a vette, since the mustang is really in the same class as a camaro and stomps it outright, pound for pound, and as far as the jersey, Jesse knows what Im talking about. The facts stand that whether or not a benelli or FN or Remington (I own and 870 and wouldnt trade it period)really have differences, even though they are mostly based on second hand he said she said, they are all reliable shotguns. It seems to me that perhaps theres a point and some research to be done. I say we actually put some tests together and let the rest of the 3 Gun community see whats what. Not to prove anything, simply for posterity, since the benellis have abounding reviews, but the FN, not so much. I think it would be good to put some time into seeing the validity of each argument. Whats the verdict?
 
Spiff said:
I've seen an awful lot more FNs and Winchesters (same shotgun, btw) take a dump than benellis of all flavors. As a not jersey wearing billboard.

I believe that shotgun is not adopted by any military, so I don't think it has been wrung out by 'operators' in any official capacity.
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At least the Marine Corps and the Army I know for sure, the USMC uses a benelli M104 and the Army and USMC just picked up the AA12 for MarSoc and select infantry units like ANGLICO, (Air Naval Gunfire Liason Company)
 
Mitch Gibson said:
You're still talking a thousand percent difference between the number of potential buyers of shotguns for hunting versus competing. I don't think that marketing a competition shotgun makes sense as a spend beyond the initial product release, but producing one from an off-the-shelf product would be prudent if it weren't too labor/material intensive.
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Yeah I agree on the relative small size our 3 gun market has in influencing large manufacturers. I just wanted to point out that us 3 gunners are growing like a 13 year olds boner during its first slow dance.
 
I moved all of the SLP vs M2 talk to a new thread.

I will one day own an SLP. it would be a good home defense gun for sure.
 
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