Heartland Price Gouging

[poopgiggle]

I would get pissed off if this were a famine and they were gouging on milk or bread but COME ON these are luxury items that we all have at least 20 of already.

In this environment you either pay $50 for a PMAG or you'll see an empty shelf with a sticker that says "PMAGS STILL ONLY $15"

 

[kdf9511]

I would get pissed off if this were a famine and they were gouging on milk or bread but COME ON these are luxury items that we all have at least 20 of already.

Not all of us have 20 of them already. I don't own one pmag and only have one 30 mag and two 20 rounders. I have gotten by with this for quite a while for just plinkng a the range but now that I'm wanting to shoot matches I need some more.

 

[poopgiggle]

Like I said in another thread........They sell more than PMAGS.
PMAG business didn't keep the lights on all by itself before this started & 5X markup on a case of PMAGS wouldn't keep the lights on for a week.

The thing about this argument is that there's a run on a lot more than PMAGs, and prices are going up on a lot more than PMAGs. I know a guy who's selling a complete AR lower on Gunbroker; it's at $660 with a week left.

The reason that everyone is flipping out about PMAG prices is because it requires a lot more disposable income to run to the store and grab a few ARs. Most people with enough of a shooting budget to do a couple matches per month have enough cash on hand to go grab a couple PMAGs so that's what they try to do.

 

[poopgiggle]

Not all of us have 20 of them already. I don't own one pmag and only have one 30 mag and two 20 rounders. I have gotten by with this for quite a while for just plinkng a the range but now that I'm wanting to shoot matches I need some more.

I don't think you understand what "luxury item" means.

 

[irons_shooter]

Not all of us have 20 of them already. I don't own one pmag and only have one 30 mag and two 20 rounders. I have gotten by with this for quite a while for just plinkng a the range but now that I'm wanting to shoot matches I need some more.

If you want to shoot matches and need a couple more, PM me and I will take care if you.

Mike

 

[kdf9511]

I don't think you understand what "luxury item" means.

I understand exactly what "luxury item" means. The point I was making was that not all the people who are complaining and trying to buy this stuff already have a stash of it or are hording it.

 

[David E]

Friday at Heartland, they sold ALL of their AR's (75 or do) including the ones in 6.8 that they didn't have ammo for until Friday afternoon.

Their pegs that had been full of mags thru Wednesday were bare on Friday, even tho they'd been marked up Thursday.

I'll support HO by purchasing items I can afford, but I can't afford $50 (much less $89 at Gunworld) for Pmags. Likewise, I can't swallow $600 for 1000 rds if .223, either. But I can't find any ammo at last weeks prices anywhere. Can't even find bullets for reloading.

This run on guns/ammo/mags is unprecedented. Those saying it'll pass have no crystal ball, so this well could forever change the face of gun ownership and shooting in a negative way.

If things stay where they are or, heaven forbid, get worse, then I won't be shooting as many matches as before.

I sure hope that I can buy an AR for $700 next year and .223 for $300 per 1K, but I'm not optimistic. Right now, I'm treating all my AR's, magazines and .223 like gold and I want to hang on to what little I have.

 

[Scott Hearn]

Friday at Heartland, they sold ALL of their AR's (75 or do) including the ones in 6.8 that they didn't have ammo for until Friday afternoon.

Their pegs that had been full of mags thru Wednesday were bare on Friday, even tho they'd been marked up Thursday.

I'll support HO by purchasing items I can afford, but I can't afford $50 (much less $89 at Gunworld) for Pmags. Likewise, I can't swallow $600 for 1000 rds if .223, either. But I can't find any ammo at last weeks prices anywhere. Can't even find bullets for reloading.

This run on guns/ammo/mags is unprecedented. Those saying it'll pass have no crystal ball, so this well could forever change the face of gun ownership and shooting in a negative way.

If things stay where they are or, heaven forbid, get worse, then I won't be shooting as many matches as before.

I sure hope that I can buy an AR for $700 next year and .223 for $300 per 1K, but I'm not optimistic. Right now, I'm treating all my AR's, magazines and .223 like gold and I want to hang on to what little I have.

Me too. I've even put all my mags in the safe. But I've been thinking about a new AWB today and it's mostly a CYA thing for me. I really don't think that the repubs in the House will let confiscation or anything like that go down. I think that the best the antis will get will be just like the last one. Will they try for more? You're damn right they will. But any worse and I just can't see the repubs going along. I've been wrong before tho...

 

[Chambers]

This run on guns/ammo/mags is unprecedented. Those saying it'll pass have no crystal ball, so this well could forever change the face of gun ownership and shooting in a negative way.

The "run on guns/ammo/mags" is always highest after a tragedy like this, which is precedence. Fear is an incredible thing. It will die down.

And I don't need a crystal ball when I have years of components.

 

[jtischauser]

I just had a guy message me wanting to use PMags as partial trade for a gun. We need to have magpul start printing a picture of Obama on PMags so they can be just like money.

I have less then five PMags and less than ten 30 round mags. I do have a lot of ammo not because I am hoarding but because I shoot a lot. Next season I may have to team up with someone with PMags but no ammo so we can shoot matches next year as a team.

 

[Deathtrap]

You bring the ammo and ill bring the pmags

 

[Jefpainthorse]

the local hardware here sold 31 guns yesterday. The sell ammo by the case... he has 38 special, a bunch of 380 and several 45 ACP ball. No 223 came in but he still had some 9mm FMJ in the place

My buddy the-"gun store"- set out a bunch of out-of-the package Glock 17 and 19 magazines at $20 each... he had a few GI 30 rounders for $15 and all his PMags went out the door for what he's had them marked for a while $15-17 ... and he had some PMags for Mini's too.


His store is just about empty. He sold every semi auto rifle he had (including a high dollar early Colt AR) and ton of Glock Pistols, and XD's. .

Next month will be tough for him... he has to re-order and wait. You cant sell retail stuff if you cannot get wholesale stuff. Panic buying is hurting us the most- the true panic buyer is grabbing all this stuff to turn a profit later.

Keep calm and keep an eye on the poltics. I keep reading about "what's in the BAN?" and other than a few press releases from the Feinsteins and other usual idiots nobody is really saying a thing.

I hate it though... I'd like to shoot some- but when you cannot replace home stock...

 

[David E]

The "run on guns/ammo/mags" is always highest after a tragedy like this, which is precedence.

Not like this. I remember the run in 1994. It was a ripple in comparison. I remember the run in 2008. Not even close to what we are seeing now. the breadth and intensity this time around is unprecedented.

Fear is an incredible thing.

Yes, but it's not unwarranted. Obama has nothing to lose and has always been virulently antigun. He has stated his intent in no uncertain terms. Politicians that have been given an "A" rating by the NRA have said "something must be done" this time around. All the previous mass shootings have elicited concerns, but this one.....this one elicited tears.

It will die down.

Yes it will, one way or another. But not all reasons are good ones for gunowners.

And I don't need a crystal ball.....

Anyone that's saying things will die down and everything, including stock and prices, will return to normal can't possibly know that. I hope and pray they are right.

 

[David E]

His store is just about empty.

Next month will be tough for him... he has to re-order and wait. You cant sell retail stuff if you cannot get wholesale stuff.

And here's the reason HO raised prices on some items. They need to make payroll even if the shelves are bare.

- the true panic buyer is grabbing all this stuff to turn a profit later.

Hard to turn a profit when you buy high. The panic buyer is the one that's buying this stuff just to have, in case they need it later. Of course, I don't want to think about being able to make a profit on a Pmag that cost $89 at Gunworld......but it may be the case.

I hate it though... I'd like to shoot some- but when you cannot replace home stock...

It does make shooting 100-200 rds of .223 practicing for the 3-Gun match that'll require another 100 a tougher decision. How many rounds are "enough" if you can't get anymore?

 

[poopgiggle]

Keep calm and keep an eye on the poltics. I keep reading about "what's in the BAN?" and other than a few press releases from the Feinsteins and other usual idiots nobody is really saying a thing.

They appointed a commission. That's what politicians do when they want to kick the can down the road and shove responsibility onto someone else. It was appointed right away as a HEY LOOK WE'RE HELPING, which buys them time to let the heat die down.

There are a lot of legislators who know that gun control laws will hurt them in the next election, but that coming out against them right now would set them up to be made to look like baby killers on cable news. If new laws show up in Congress right away, those legislators will probably be very upset at the position that puts them in and other legislation (like the budget) will be even more difficult to pass than it already is. "The commission is deliberating" is a great excuse to avoid talking about specifics in order to not have to pin anything on anyone until then.

I'm a pretty casual observer, but I feel like there will be a lot of backroom negotiating in the near future, and the commission will recommend whatever they think they can whip enough votes together to pass.


I can only hope that all the hoarders' wives will see credit card statements by then, so they're forced to dump everything onto the market. THAT'S when you stock up on PMAGs.

 

[David E]

I just talked to Todd at Heartland. He can't find ANY stock, but has noticed a few online auctions. 1000 rds of Wolf .223 went for $800

A seller who had a LOT of Pmags was auctioning them in 100 mag lots every 1/2 hour starting on Thursday. The first lot went for $5600, the last one went Sunday morning for $8600, or $86 per mag.

Price gouging?

Of course not, since the market set the price.

Oh, H&H is selling them for $19? Yeah, because they're OUT OF STOCK, from what I understand. I'm sure when HO is out, they'll go back to $18.

Todd said they have 10 AR's coming in that he was able to scare up. Instead of being accused of price gouging, he's going to schedule an auction. Those interested can participate and set the price.

He is also going to auction off the 3 range rental AR's, so stay tuned.

Todd apologizes for having to raise some prices, but HIS prices have increased since the tragedy, also. If you want to discuss it with him, he welcomes your call. Further, if you have Pmags you'll sell for less than $50, he'd be interested in buying them from you.

 

[Deathtrap]

Magpul has not raised there price on pmags. They have made this very clear. If heartland has it priced higher than the always expensive h&h they are price gouging and won't receive any of my business even after all this is over. If Tony Wall can afford to not **** everyone on this so can Heartland.

 

[Troy]

I don't own a retail business, but if I did and a situation arose like this and the manufacturer of an item or two raised their prices by 400%, I would consider not selling this item or any item from this manufacturer in my store and make space for something else that sells.

 

[twofifty]

"one went Sunday morning for $8600, or $86 per mag" ... funny, I bought 10 on the 18th from Brownells for $125 and they'll be here Wed ot Thu.

I've got a bridge to sell that guy. Have his people contact my people.

 

[twofifty]

Oh, and I have 10 Omags I'll trade plus cash for a lower.