What will an "Assault Weapons Etc" ban do to the Sport of 3 Gun?

[MiniUzi]

3 gun nation just got canceled by NBC - stupid , just stupid

http://www.3gunnatio...gun_programming

Edit: . elephant dung sorry didn't see the earlier post. This just sucks

 

[Scott Hearn]

I wish I had that Brownells code yesterday.

It was only good for yesterday Jesse. Don't you get the emails?

 

[HackerF15E]

There are two things to consider here:

One, we don't know how the political landscape will look on this issue in January. So far we are still in the initial-kneejerk-reaction stage, and the media is feeding the current gun control orgy that has been pent up for many years. Let
s not forget that Democrats are still in the post-election refractory period and think that they are politically invincible. It looks bad on television and in print because of that. As soon as the initial shock wears off, and actual legislation is proposed, then "we, the people" can start to actually debate the issue. I believe it will look very different in January than it has for the last three days on television.

Two, we don't have any idea what the proposed legislation actually looks like, nor what it might look like after debate on the topic before going up for a vote. We can't believe that Sen Feinstein is naive enough to put up a bill that has as many holes in it as the 94 bill or even the California bill...it will probably be much tighter than that.

So, this kind of speculation is about 4 carts before the horse.

 

[jtischauser]

Now this is a bill I can support!

http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-legislator-says-teachers-need-option-to-carry-guns-at-school/article/3738396

 

[technetium-99m]

Somewhere between the Clinton crime bill and turn in all your AR's.

I'm betting it will say you can have them, but you can't get any more and you can't get any more standard capacity magazines. I'm sure they would like to tell you to turn them in next year, but if they demand too much it wont pass.

3 gun is probably going to continue for a bit with the people already in the sport, but I doubt there is going to be much new blood. If a bill like I described passes it will probably end the majors while local clubs have monthly matches for the guys who have rifles. All the sponsorship would fall to the handgun and shotgun makers since the rifle companies wouldn't be able to sell new guns.

It all depends on what passes, and I really do think were going to have to deal with some sort of legislation. I hope I'm dead wrong about this too.

 

[jtischauser]

don't blame them? They had absolutely $0 more invested in their inventory when they they decided to almost triple the price.

I sold out of mags today with full knowledge that my suppliers were out of stock & I wouldn't be getting more anytime soon (other than what I already have on order). I saw people raising prices when the panic buying started. I didn't even consider it, I knew I'd sleep better if I didn't screw the people I started this store for.

If you would have screwed me I guarantee you would have slept like a baby! My love you long time cowboy!

 

[hermnrob]

Cowboy! Sounds to me like an oil driller with a fannie pack on.

 

[dennishoddy]

The new legislation will pass or the anti-gun frenzy will pass?

The frenzy will pass. It may take awhile, but with a republican house and a democrat senate, there isn't much that they can/will pass. A lot of posturing for their voter base, and it drifts off the headlines.

The dems want to have a European style socialist government with strict gun controls, but if one looks at school shootings in Europe, they almost equal what is going on here.
You just don't hear about it as much.
Which brings up my point that the media is the cause for the continued shootings.
The endless news reports about the shooter, his family, his friends, why he did it, what weapon he used, what round he used, what style jock strap he wore during the shooting is creating a copy cat, "I wanna be more famous in my death that the last guy", and here we go.

An option is that there needs to be legislation passed that the shooters name is never mentioned, No interviews with family members, weapons allowed in schools by CLEET trained and certified school personell, (I don't care if its a janitor) and a host of facility security improvements that would take too long to address here.
That brings up the issue of the first ammendment being trampled on, so thats not going to happen.
I guess my favorite quote is that the 2nd ammendment protects the first.
It would have to be a voluntary thing with the networks, and we all know thats not going to happen.

I absolutly hate the fact that we can't let our kids go to school and have a feeling that they are safe, but that is not the case anymore, and the media is to blame.

 

[Dustin Cantrell]

Dennis, you made a good point. The "copy cat" phenomenon is very real. The more the media works this up, the more likely there are to be copy cats. There was a guy in Indiana that was arrested on Saturday for threatening to harm as many people as possible at an elementary school. He lived within 1000' of the school. The more they report on the shooter, the higher the probability of similar shootings.

 

[jtischauser]

We had issues at Guthrie high school yesterday because some kid was making threats. The Copy cat syndrome is bad! Too many troubled folks looking for attention.

 

[dennishoddy]

Ok, lets get some facts involved in this discussion.
Mass killings have declined since 1980.
1980-1989, there were 32 mass killings
1990-1999 there were 42 mass killings
2000-2009 there were 26 mass killings
(data from the minnesota dept of corrections)

From the Department of Justice,
Murders of school aged children are down 42% from 1992 to 2008.
1% of school age children who are murdered, die at school.

These stats don't cover the recent school shootings, but with the data from Europe, and these stats, we can see its a media hype?

We shouldn't see a single one, but we don't need knee jerk reactions to this situation

 

[Scott Hearn]

I hate to be so cynical, but I think that this won't die and there will be a new AWB. We already have at least 2 fairly solid pro-gun dims that have turned and Claire McCaskill even pretty much told the NRA to literally go **** themselves.
I think that the repubs attitude of "well they did win the election" will spill over from the fiscal cliff debate to this one.

I mean think about it. Boehner totally opposed the $800 billion tax increase that Obama campaigned on for two years. He said "not no, but hell no". That is until Obama won and then Boehner gave it all to him immediately!
Only reason that they don't have a deal is because Obama then doubled it to 1.6 trillion so that he could claim he "compromised" when he got it back down to what he originally planned, so in reality he didn't give up a damn thing.
Now Obama is emboldened and absolutely will not let the repubs have a single thing they want. Probably tomorrow the House is going to pass the exact bill that dingbat Pelosi proposed a week or so ago and the repubs are calling
it their own and claiming a victory for not going over the cliff. If they are going to pass their own bill why not pass the tax cuts for everyone and the spending cuts and let the dims in the Senate and the White House own it's failure?
The repubs did in fact give a far better "compromise" than anyone ever thought only to be rejected.
The repubs are getting played. And like a fiddle at that.

The new AWB is going to go down the same exact way. The dims seem to think the repubs have to do all of the "compromising". They themselves will not give a damn thing and they will get at the very least everything
that was in the Clinton ban. Quite probably after going for far more only to "compromise" back to their real and unspoken agenda. If the repubs get anything out of the deal it will be a 10 year sunset like last time.
They will get nothing else because they will roll over just like in the tax deal. But you can bet your ass that there will be more restrictions than the last go'round.

As for USPSA I see Open and Limited getting real thin. Production, Limited 10 and SS will get a lot more popular and maybe Revo will get a little new blood.

 

[jtischauser]

Bartlesville school is closed today too. Some sort of threats.

Obama and Biden are supposed to layout their plans to control guns today at 11:45.

You guys stay out of L10. You can't get all the mags you need now anyways.

 

[Adam Striegel]

Kids are going to figure out if there are some kind of threats going around their school, the school will close, and they'll get the day off.

Happened a lot when I was in school with bomb threats. There for awhile we were getting bomb threats several times a month because the kids figured out if they made it sound credible enough they'd evacuate and we'd all get to go home or hang around doing nothing until the school was cleared.

I've heard a lot of people talking about ramping up security at the schools, getting the local police to patrol the halls carrying AR's and shotguns for a "show of force" to discourage attacks. Maybe it's just the way I grew up, but I can't help but thinking that if this sort of thing happens all it does is hurt the community because it's a constant reminder of the possibility of fear and tragedy.

 

[Adam Striegel]

Also .. I'm not totally opposed to teachers and school staff being allowed to carry CONCEALED or keep a firearm locked up in a secure location, IF they're required to go through some kind of weapon retention and tactical training. Having a bunch of random teachers packing and being put in a situation where a bunch of scared children are running around just seems like a disaster.

That gives the schools the ability to immediately act in response to an actual threat without having a bunch of armed police patrolling the hauls making it look like a red zone.

 

[Adam Striegel]

Bartlesville school is closed today too. Some sort of threats.

Obama and Biden are supposed to layout their plans to control guns today at 11:45.

You guys stay out of L10. You can't get all the mags you need now anyways.

I'm going to be in bed for that ... I'm putting my official request in for someone to post up a summary or a link to a good news source so I can check it out after I get out of class tonight.

 

[jtischauser]

Also .. I'm not totally opposed to teachers and school staff being allowed to carry CONCEALED or keep a firearm locked up in a secure location, IF they're required to go through some kind of weapon retention and tactical training. Having a bunch of random teachers packing and being put in a situation where a bunch of scared children are running around just seems like a disaster.

That gives the schools the ability to immediately act in response to an actual threat without having a bunch of armed police patrolling the hauls making it look like a red zone.

What's your solution then? At this point something's gotta give. Unfortunately that something is likely to be our firearms.

I firmly believe that if just one person had a gun in every school whether it be a teacher, security guard, cop, administrator or janitor there would be no more school shootings by mentally ill people. These sick folks aren't looking for a confrontation they are looking for easy targets.

 

[Adam Striegel]

What's your solution then? At this point something's gotta give. Unfortunately that something is likely to be our firearms.

I firmly believe that if just one person had a gun in every school whether it be a teacher, security guard, cop, administrator or janitor there would be no more school shootings by mentally ill people. These sick folks aren't looking for a confrontation they are looking for easy targets.

No doubt about it. Like I said, having teachers carrying concealed with proper training, or having a security guard on-hand is one thing. All the knee jerk, lets have a SWAT team trolling the halls talk just rubs me the wrong way. The thing that pops into my head is, the bad guys win when we start having to go to such extremes.

 

[Scott Hearn]

No doubt about it. Like I said, having teachers carrying concealed with proper training, or having a security guard on-hand is one thing. All the knee jerk, lets have a SWAT team trolling the halls talk just rubs me the wrong way. The thing that pops into my head is, the bad guys win when we start having to go to such extremes.

I wouldn't worry about it much. There's no way we could hire even one cop specifically for placement in each school. Just way too many of them.
The only way to make this work is on a volunteer basis. If we were to get it passed some schools will have armed people in them and others won't.
It will become apparent real quick that the "armed schools" are the way to go. Then the others will follow along.

 

[Troy]

Also .. I'm not totally opposed to teachers and school staff being allowed to carry CONCEALED or keep a firearm locked up in a secure location, IF they're required to go through some kind of weapon retention and tactical training. Having a bunch of random teachers packing and being put in a situation where a bunch of scared children are running around just seems like a disaster.

That gives the schools the ability to immediately act in response to an actual threat without having a bunch of armed police patrolling the hauls making it look like a red zone.

Having a single point of entry into school and one armed and trained security person in the vicinity of that entry point would be enough and I don't see why there isn't enough money to make that happen, you just do it, it's for the kids safety, they can do it, they just won't do it. Which also brings up my next point. There not going to ban our weapons because of the school shootings, there going to ban our weapons so we won't have them anymore. I wish it was for the kids, they're just looking for an excuse.

Back to the topic, what's it going to do to 3-gun? I think the rifle round count is going to be a bit lower for a while and we'll see what happens from there.