What division for new 3-gunners

Wall · Nov 21, 2012

darkmark said:
After some more thought, I think I will try and get better with irons before moving to Tac Optics. Would there be any benefit to a thinner FS post, as opposed to a standard mil spec front sight width?

I hold POA/POI not 6 oclock. Those 150+ yd targets seem to get covered up with the standard FS post.

Thanks for all the input thus far.

Good for you, I believe you'll be better served in the long run.
I'm pretty sure Kurt & the guys turn their front posts down, they'll have to tell you how far down they turn them to though.

jtischauser · Nov 21, 2012

Small front sight is definitely better. Run that 300 yard zero that way your 100 & 200 are 6:00 holds.

KurtM · Nov 21, 2012

Way too broad a question. The simple answer that you have already got from a few non iron shooters is in general right. Thinner is better, but there are a bunch of varriables that you need to address first.

1. What is your natural focal length?
2. what is the sight radius on your rifle. Ie M4 clone, 20" A2 with regular sights, 18" barrel with extended sights..etc.
3. conditions where you usually shoot ( out west dry and light, back east in the trees and dark)....etc.
4.what is the size of the target you are trying to hit WAY out there. Flash target at 400, LaRue at 500, full size IPSC plate at 600?
5. What kind of sights are you using?

Now the easy part, all I do is take stock G.I. sights and chuck them up in a drill and take a file and file them down as the drill spins. Keep the file flat to the sight and you can make them any size you want. IN GENERAL a .050 sight width is a good starting point, but on an M4 it will still look huge. I run a .040 on my practice rifle and on my match rifle it is .036...BUT that is an extended sight radius rifle. Let me know the answers to those questions above and I can give you a good ball park to start in, but if the front sight sits at length that your eye's natural focal point doesn't like you have to go BIG

Take a tape measure and your wife or girlfriend hold the dumb end at your eye and have them hold something around .050 wide out infront of your eye. Pull the tape out and see where that little thing looks the very sharpest with QUICK GLANCES not stareing at it and this will = natural eye focus length.

darkmark · Nov 22, 2012

1. Can't figure this out. Re read your instructions and just not clicking. I know this is probably most important part
2. M4 clone with mid length gas system
3. I'm in the Midwest. Some dry/ light some trees and dark.
4. Farthest I'll probably shoot is 300 yds. At that distance probably a full size ipsc. At 150-200 yds target would be 8 in plate
5. Using standard mil spec fixed fsp with a1.5 fixed rear. Also using standard mil spec trigger which isn't helping

Thanks for taking the time to walk me thru this.

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Way too broad a question. The simple answer that you have already got from a few non iron shooters is in general right. Thinner is better, but there are a bunch of varriables that you need to address first.

1. What is your natural focal length?
2. what is the sight radius on your rifle. Ie M4 clone, 20" A2 with regular sights, 18" barrel with extended sights..etc.
3. conditions where you usually shoot ( out west dry and light, back east in the trees and dark)....etc.
4.what is the size of the target you are trying to hit WAY out there. Flash target at 400, LaRue at 500, full size IPSC plate at 600?
5. What kind of sights are you

KurtM · Nov 22, 2012

All you are doing is holding a tape measure up to your eye and measuring where you see a pen tip clearly at a quick glance, or the edge of a dime. AT A QUICK GLANCE. That is the key.

Burk Cornelius · Nov 22, 2012

I'm not sure about all this iron sights talk, but after that throw down I put on that turkey, I'm shooting in the newly created (by me) Clydesdale class.

jhjh11 · Nov 22, 2012

Burk ill shoot in that class with u

darkmark · Nov 22, 2012

KurtM said:
All you are doing is holding a tape measure up to your eye and measuring where you see a pen tip clearly at a quick glance, or the edge of a dime. AT A QUICK GLANCE. That is the key.

Seems to be at 19" best I can tell