Voting on Undetectable Gun Ban Today?

StealthESW

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Has anyone heard of this undetectable gun ban that is being voted on? It's my understanding that Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) thinks he can add 3D printing, certain types of receivers, gun moldings, and plastic magazines to the bill.

I have also read that wood stocks could be added to the bill, as well.

I have not really seen much on here and wanted to know if any of you have seen any articles or heard anything about it. I think they are voting on it today because the "1988 Undetectable Gun Ban" is set to expire today.

If this stuff is true, it sounds like it could be really bad.
 

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I probably shouldn't do this, but anything that I hear is authored by Shumer (D-New York) I ignore. That might bite me someday, but its hard to take that dude seriously
 

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Looks like the bill passed by a voice vote. This means nobody knows who voted for what because it is not recorded. That's kinda scary. Makes it hard to know who to vote out of office.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/congress-ready-extend-ban-plastic-firearms-21144834


Congress Renews Undetectable Gun Ban for Decade


WASHINGTON December 9, 2013 (AP)
By ALAN FRAM Associated Press




Narrowly beating a midnight deadline, Congress voted Monday to renew an expiring ban on plastic firearms that can evade airport detection machines. But Republicans blocked an effort to toughen the restrictions â€" the latest defeat for gun-control forces in the year since the grade school massacre in Newtown, Conn.
By voice vote, the Senate gave final congressional approval to a 10-year extension of the prohibition against guns that can slip past metal detectors and X-ray machines. The House voted last week for an identical decade-long renewal of the ban, and the measure now goes to President Barack Obama for his signature.
But GOP senators rejected an effort by Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., to strengthen the ban by requiring that such weapons contain undetachable metal parts. Some plastic guns meet the letter of the current law with a metal piece that can be removed, making them a threat to be slipped past security screeners at schools, airports and elsewhere.
"Who in God's name wants to let plastic guns pass through metal detectors at airports or stadiums?" Schumer said in an interview Monday.
The National Rifle Association, which has been instrumental in blocking gun restrictions, expressed no opposition to renewing the law. But the gun lobby said it would fight any expanded requirements, including Schumer's, "that would infringe on our Second Amendment rights" to bear arms.
Underscoring the issue's political sensitivity, both of Monday's votes were by voice only, meaning no individual senators' votes were recorded. For a handful of Democratic senators seeking re-election next year in GOP-leaning states, the day's votes could have been difficult.
The rejection of stricter curbs highlighted the repeated setbacks for gun-control advocates in Congress since last Dec. 14. On that day, a gunman fatally shot 20 first-graders and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School before killing himself.
Despite that â€" and other recent mass shootings, including at the Washington Navy Yard just blocks from the Capitol â€" supporters of expanded gun control are nearing the end of a year in which they have been unable to push any new firearms restrictions through Congress.
"We're several decades behind the NRA," said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn. "This is a long game, and it's going to take us some time to build up the resources necessary to compete."
Congressional Republicans have resisted tightening the restrictions against undetectable guns, but those lawmakers â€" as well as the NRA â€" have not opposed renewing the current prohibition. The House approved a 10-year extension last week.
Plastic guns were in their infancy when President Ronald Reagan and Congress first enacted the ban against undetectable firearms, and when it was renewed in 1998 and 2003. But such weapons have become a growing threat and can now be produced by 3-D printers, which are becoming better and more affordable.
Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, says that with the law's expiration at hand, Congress should extend it for a decade and study Schumer's more restrictive plan later.
Supporters of tightening the rules say the 10-year renewal helps the gun lobby because it reduces Democrats' ability to revisit the issue.
The Sandy Hook killings prompted Obama and Democrats to make gun control a top domestic priority this year â€" but to no avail in Congress.
Their most stinging loss occurred in April, when the Senate turned aside an effort to expand federal background checks for would-be gun purchasers, an effort to prevent criminals and mentally ill people from getting weapons. That measure would have required the checks for all sales at gun shows and online â€" expanding a system that is currently required only for sales through licensed firearms dealers.
Also defeated were proposed bans on assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazines.
In a measure of GOP opposition and NRA clout, those proposals never even came to votes in the Republican-majority House.
But with Saturday's Newtown anniversary approaching, Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Pa., a psychologist, plans to announce legislation Thursday aimed at boosting federal mental health programs, including treatment, research and training for workers who respond to emergencies.
The lack of movement in the Democratic-led Senate has left gun-control groups divided about their 2014 goals.
Some are willing to set aside, for now, the push for expanded background checks and settle for more modest changes. These could include strengthening mental health programs and having states provide more records to the federal background check system.
Backing this approach are some Newtown families and the group Americans for Responsible Solutions, formed by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., seriously wounded by a shooter, and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly.
"Anything we can do, anything Congress can do to potentially save a life, one life, they should do," said Pia Carusone, executive director of Giffords' group.
Others want to continue raising pressure on lawmakers to back strong background check requirements, and they oppose aiming for less.
These groups include Mayors Against Illegal Guns, led by outgoing New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an organization that has been spending money against gun-rights congressional candidates and lawmakers. These groups are concerned that Republicans would use votes for weaker efforts to cast themselves as having championed major steps against guns.
"Our interest in giving (New Hampshire GOP Sen.) Kelly Ayotte a vote on a mental health bill, which would be a good bill but do virtually nothing to solve the gun violence problem in this country, approaches zero," said Mark Glaze, the mayors group executive director.
Ayotte voted against expanded background checks in April and has been criticized by gun-control groups ever since.
 

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mike cyrwus said:
then do something about it other than writing a sentence on a gun website
I do what I can, i'm a life member of NRA who makes monthly contributions. Also, my wife, 5 year old and 3 month old are life members. I also called my senators yesterday, Bob Corker and Lamar Alexander. Any more suggestions?
 

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Reading... it is a good use of time :)

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/3-d-printed-gun-loophole-senate/


On Monday evening, a bill aimed at thwarting the production and distribution of plastic 3-D printed weapons was blocked by Senate republicans.
In particular, the bill sought to address the fact that plastic firearms have become a reality in recent years with the rise of 3-D printing technology. Earlier this year, the first printed handgun was successfully tested and declared a lethal weapon.
Though still not widely distributed, these weapons can be brought through metal detectors and into schools, public buildings, and airports. Many expect this threat to increase 3-D printing technology becomes more available and plans for these weapons more readily accessible online.
The debate over the new legislation centered around the 1988 Undetectable Firearms Act, which bans the production and distribution of weapons that skirt “walk through metal detectors.” The act has been renewed on two occasions since its passage. It was due to expire again on the 9th of December.
The House voted to renew the bill last week. The rise of 3-D printing has made this year’s renewal more complicated in the Senate. Many lawmakers, particularly democrats, feel the current Undetectable Firearms Act inadequately addresses the rising threat posed by printed plastic weapons.
On Monday evening, only days before the one-year anniversary of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the Senate extended the Undetectable Firearms Act but failed to pass modifications that would address the growing prevelance of plastic firearms.
In particular, gun control advocates were attempting to address a provision in the act that which says that in order to make a firearm legal, manufactures must insert a metal component into the weapon. However, that piece needn’t be central to the gun’s functionality. As such, one could by a plastic firearm and simply remove the metal.
The passage of the modified bill would have mandated that a 3-D printed gun cannot function without a detectable metal component.
Iowa republican Senator Chuck Grassley said the language of the new bill was not available until the afternoon of the vote, calling it "eleventh hour" legislation. This, he said, was his motivation for voting against it.
Charles Schumer (D-NY) disagreed. While the actual language was made available today, the "concept was out there for weeks and weeks if not longer." Schumer went on to add that while he wished the new modifications to the bill would have passed, it "doesn't mean we can't try to do that over the next few months."
Photo by GastevFlickr
 

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I wouldn't want to fire a pistol without a proper metal barrel. Also, I have never seen an all plastic firearm. I think anything with a plastic chamber would just be asking for punishment.

I mean seriously, I really didn't need that hand, so I made an all plastic gun. :roulette:
 

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I think Plastic (3d printed) guns were far more important than most people know. As 3d printers are becoming more and more common, sophisticated and cheap. The idea of controling something that people can simply download and print a firearm of their choosing, makes the idea of gun control in any form a pipe dream. This Bill was so important as it would have made discussions about background checks and types of firearms that can be legally owned (NFA items) absolutely moot.
 

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tl;dr congress barely managed to renew an old law, failed to pass any new laws.

in other news, sun rises in east, sky reported to be blue
 

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