USSA Pro Am input please

jeffhughes said:
I'm going to bump up the round count and par times a bit. Plan on 150 rounds+/- and par times around 25 seconds.

We'll continue with 30 second shotgun par times unless feedback from those who actually shoot tells me different.

I really want this to be a fun match with a lot of shooters...
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why not do pro & am with different par times for the experienced & novice shooters?

IMO, One reason this match hasn't gotten lots of participation in the past is because of the short par times.
New shooters don't want to go shoot 4-5 pieces of steel per stage.
But you lengthen the times & you have a lot more people finishing the stages & the high level guys don't want that, they want a challenge as well. So why not make the format what the name says it is, with different times for expert & novice.
 
I've wanted to make it up to shoot this match for a long time now. Making it 3rd Saturday would turn it into a reality, and probably a repeatable reality.
 
Wall said:
why not do pro & am with different par times for the experienced & novice shooters?

IMO, One reason this match hasn't gotten lots of participation in the past is because of the short par times.
New shooters don't want to go shoot 4-5 pieces of steel per stage.
But you lengthen the times & you have a lot more people finishing the stages & the high level guys don't want that, they want a challenge as well. So why not make the format what the name says it is, with different times for expert & novice.
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Tony you bring up a good point. But....It would be a friggin nightmare for the ROs to be jacking with the timers all day.
I would suggest ditching the par times altogether and setting the round count from 25 to 35 on each stage and just running heads up.

The first time I shot this match they "goofed" on the par times and they were ridiculously short. After that they were much better but the shot gun times were still always too short for just an average shooter. The last one I was at you were doing good to clear half the steel and I remember one stage where Kelley Raglin didn't even clear it with his box fed open SG. That's too short for all but the top shooters. I really really want to get to making this match again.
 
Scott Hearn said:
Tony you bring up a good point. But....It would be a friggin nightmare for the ROs to be jacking with the timers all day.
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2 timers......boom, problem solved
 
Scott Hearn said:
I would suggest ditching the par times altogether and setting the round count from 25 to 35 on each stage and just running heads up.
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10 on a squad = 250 to 350 pieces of steel to reset for every stage = looooong friggin day
 
Okay I might have exaggerated slightly, or that I've just not shot it in awhile too. I just seem to recall that it was basically impossible to clear them especially with the shotgun. Some of the open pistol shooters came close.

How many stages are they running these days? If more than 5, yeah it would be a long day. But If 5 people go reset each shooter, thats only 5 to 7 pieces per person. How long does it take to walk down and set 5 to 7 poppers? Not too long.
 
I'm in since ATA moved their USPSA match and left me with an open 3rd Saturday. Just point me at some steel and tell me how much time I have to knock it down.
 
I like par times and I love knocking it all down too. I don't like it when the par times are too short. Of course the challenge the MD has is guessing what Crotsley or Raglin can do with their open guns vs what the newbs can do with their irons.

Maybe run it with par times one month and without the next for the rest if the year and see who shows up for what.
 
I've shot this match a few times, and like most other matches you don't get the whole squad resetting steel. You have two or three guys that reset everything while the others watch.
 
I'm personally for keeping par times. They keep the round count down, and make it so the MD has to set up less steel. I think less steel is important because the problem with this match has been how labor-intensive it is to set up. Sure you have to strike a balance between being accessible to new shooters and challenging for experienced shooters, but that's true for IDPA and USPSA too. And who cares if people can't knock them all down? The pros at the real Pro-Am can't knock everything down. If it was too easy to clean then this would turn into trap shooting.

Pro-Am is probably my favorite thing to shoot and I'm glad it's on a new day. My one suggestion to Jeff is to not be afraid to ask for volunteers to help set up (and hopefully we lazy dickheads will actually show up and help). Summer is hot and steel is heavy; putting all that work on one guy isn't fair IMO.
 
CK-1 said:
Maybe Jesse or someone who is tracking all the moves can update the Oklahoma and Surrounding Area Match post so it is current
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I can't keep this stuff straight. Thats why we have a great team of moderators.
 
Now that it is settled, what about July? Isn't the big Ruger Rimfire match the third Sat?
Maybe go ahead and have it on the second Sunday in July then go to third in August. It would suck to cancel the match 2 months in a row.

I agree with keeping the par times. That is part of the essence of the game. Also Like another poster said, don't be shy about asking for help with setup.
 
slowpoke said:
Now that it is settled, what about July? Isn't the big Ruger Rimfire match the third Sat?
Maybe go ahead and have it on the second Sunday in July then go to third in August. It would suck to cancel the match 2 months in a row.
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I can'd do it the 14th, I will be at the RO class at OKCGC. I'd be happy to do it the 21st if we have enough bays. I'll find out if Ruger Rimfire is going to use the Steel Challenge bays or not...
 
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