university carry

[benjamin-benjamin]

If a professor wants to carry or even have a gun in her office at a college university is it legal? Once again it is not a student but professor... couldn't remember if it was illegal or not..

 

[Jackary]

I believe it is only legal if she gets consent from the university president. I think it probably varies between schools as well. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

yeah that is what i was wondering... i just wasn't sure if the person does get consent, if it is ok or if it is illegal....

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

anyone??

 

[Adam Striegel]

Pretty sure it's illegal regardless. There's something about vo-tech type schools that is supposed to change, but if it's a state university it's illegal.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/documents/SDA_Lawbook_NOV_2011.pdf

^^^ There's the current laws if you want to read up.

 

[Adam Striegel]

Well, guess you can ... I'm still refreshing my memory on it all.





D. No person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall be authorized to carry the handgun into or upon any college, university, or technology center school property, except as provided in this subsection. For purposes of this subsection, the following property shall not be construed as prohibited for persons having a valid concealed handgun license:


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2. 3.

Any property set aside for the use or parking of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, provided the handgun is carried or stored as required by law and the handgun is not removed from the vehicle without the prior consent of the college or university president or technology center school administrator while the vehicle is on any college, university, or technology center school property;
Any property authorized for possession or use of handguns by college, university, or technology center school policy; and
Any property authorized by the written consent of the college or university president or technology center school administrator, provided the written consent is carried with the handgun and the valid concealed handgun license while on college, university, or technology center school property.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

thanks!!

 

[Iggie]

Well, guess you can ... I'm still refreshing my memory on it all.





D. No person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall be authorized to carry the handgun into or upon any college, university, or technology center school property, except as provided in this subsection. For purposes of this subsection, the following property shall not be construed as prohibited for persons having a valid concealed handgun license:


1.
2. 3.

Any property set aside for the use or parking of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, provided the handgun is carried or stored as required by law and the handgun is not removed from the vehicle without the prior consent of the college or university president or technology center school administrator while the vehicle is on any college, university, or technology center school property;
Any property authorized for possession or use of handguns by college, university, or technology center school policy; and
Any property authorized by the written consent of the college or university president or technology center school administrator, provided the written consent is carried with the handgun and the valid concealed handgun license while on college, university, or technology center school property.

Haha the the more you know.

 

[Adam Striegel]

Haha the the more you know.

Indeed ... Glad I started going back over the laws. There are several points that I remembered differently than how they actually are. Hopefully I'm not just misunderstanding all the goofy lawyer speak. There needs to be a CCW Laws for Dummies book. lol

 

[poopgiggle]

I've never heard of a successful request for permission to carry at a university, at least not at mine. I know several people who have tried.

 

[50Shooter]

Not just for professors.

Anyone who has a Handgun Permit (the new nomenclature after Nov 1st) that has permission from the President of the institution can carry there.

I suppose to document that permission they would issue a letter for the person to carry. This way the President gets to decide on a case by case basis.

Does anyone know of a case where a Univeristy President in Oklahoma has issued the required permission?

I don't.

Read the article about CCW on the University of Colorado for all above 21 here: http://rt.com/usa/news/colorado-university-carry-campus-524/

 

[Dux-R-Us]

No university President will ever grant a faculty member to carry a firearm. All campuses I am aware of in OK have a zero firearm policy. As an academic I would never bring attention to myself by requesting the President (or anyone for that matter) to carry a firearm on campus.

I was on campus today between classes. The hallways were packed with people. I could not help but think if there was an active shooter what a chaotic situation would develop. If professors and students would be allowed to carry I believe the probablilty would be very high that innocent "heros" with pistols would be shot by each other. Who is a good guy or the bad guy? Impossible to tell in the chaos. I know and trust MY attitudes and capabilities carrying a concealed pistol, but it is everyone else that I don't know or trust that is troubling to me.

Most of us on this website that have a CCW permit are probably in the minority because we actaully train and are somewhat proficeint (and likely prudent) in the use of our weapon.

 

[Dux-R-Us]

Read the article about CCW on the University of Colorado for all above 21 here: http://rt.com/usa/ne...rry-campus-524/

an imbeddd link in the above article (www.armedcampuses.org) posted this

"In 1999, National Rifle Association (NRA) CEO Wayne LaPierre said, 'Schools should have absolutely zero tolerance for weapons of any kind, except in the hands of law enforcement. The academic environment is sacred, and more importantly, it's safe, and students need to feel safe.'"

I don 't know the legitimacy of this quote, but I find it most interesting even LaPierre would be against firearms on school campuses. I can't ever recall a time when he was'nt a champion of touting a firearm by any or all law abiding citizens.

 

[dennishoddy]

I feel I need to comment on this.
Up front, we know that no matter what the politicions or the NRA pontificate, schools are dangerous places with or without guns. Lots of crimes are committed other than crimes with guns.
I have had to take many classes in the course of my work at the student center at OSU, and actually remember the the masses of students in high school, and the same at OSU, as well as votechs that I have taken classes at during class changes.

We all remember fist fights in the hallways, etc. Those brought in all students in the area to see what was going on.

If one is coming up on a confrontation, how do you know who initiated the confrontation? If weapons are involved, who is the offender and who is the defender? One doesn't know that if they weren't in on the original confrontation, and who knows what the confrontation was about in the first place?

A guy has a gun pulled on somebody, and you shoot the guy thinking you've stopped a situation, will cost you life in prison if you make the wrong decision.

I certainly believe in Constitution carry, but really don't know how to address the guns in school.

 

[poopgiggle]

I think that as long as we keep undergraduates from having guns we're fine.

Early Thursday morning, two TU students walking just off campus were robbed at gunpoint. Early Friday morning, campus security stopped a non-student walking on campus who tried to ditch a gun when they stopped him.

But it's OK, TU Campus Security will protect us

E: I suppose I should clarify, when I've dealt with campus security they've displayed...varied levels of professionalism. They've had guns for the past couple years and I have very mixed feelings about that.

 

[Dux-R-Us]

I think that as long as we keep undergraduates from having guns we're fine.

Amen, amen I say unto thee.

 

[poopgiggle]

But then I'm biased. When I ran for graduate student senate, a central plank in my campaign platform was hunting undergrads for sport.

 

[dennishoddy]

But then I'm biased. When I ran for graduate student senate, a central plank in my campaign platform was hunting undergrads for sport.

Well, they are expendable, so why not?

 

[samuelshoun]

If one is coming up on a confrontation, how do you know who initiated the confrontation? If weapons are involved, who is the offender and who is the defender? One doesn't know that if they weren't in on the original confrontation, and who knows what the confrontation was about in the first place?

A guy has a gun pulled on somebody, and you shoot the guy thinking you've stopped a situation, will cost you life in prison if you make the wrong decision.

I certainly believe in Constitution carry, but really don't know how to address the guns in school.

...not sure if serious...?

How is this any different from the same scenario at the fair, a festival, the park, a dark alley, etc? As an undergrad at TU, I was 28 years old and had a family. I spent a few late nights in Keplinger hall doing homework with my young daughter sleeping next to me in the computer lab. That was unusual at TU, but it's commonplace at state colleges and community colleges. There was no logical cause for me or any other permit holder to have been disarmed.

 

[poopgiggle]

Well you see I spotlight for undergrads at night in Kep so if you had a gun it would be dangerous.