Thoughts on open carry stop

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

http://youtu.be/N30TagPCNE4

Although I am definitely an advocate for gun rights and the right to bear arms, I also am friends with a lot of police officers that put their lives on the line everyday and never know what they are dealing with. I have nothing to hide, so I have no problem showing my CCW or my license if asked. I think guys like this give pro-gun citizens a bad name and I think they went fishing for controversy. In my area we have had three officers shot and killed recently. They have to show their badge, so I don't think it is unreasonable to be asked to show my ID so they know what they are dealing with. I think we take on a lot of responsibility by carrying a gun, including cooperating with law enforcement. It is also my right to walk down the street talking to myself and acting crazy, but the police may get called to come evaluate what is going on with me if I do so. Their job is no evaluate situations and keep everyone safe. Just my opinion and I wondered what other lines of thought were out there. I like to see other's points of view.

Burk Cornelius · Jan 2, 2014

I saw this clip earlier and have the same opinion as you only less polite.

Thes two guys are douchebags and thwy are lucky they got a tolerant cop and not an ass whippin.

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

Burk Cornelius said:
I saw this clip earlier and have the same opinion as you only less polite.

Thes two guys are douchebags and thwy are lucky they got a tolerant cop and not an ass whippin.

Well I like to shoot guns and be badass, but I am still a lady and try to be polite.........most of the time (or at least until I get to know someone, then I can put a sailor to shame) :girlsmile:

Matt1911 · Jan 2, 2014

Yeah those guys just give a bad name to gun owners.
I wonder how many actual crimes this officer wasn't able to stop because these idiots wanted to waste his time by trying to bait him.

James Peel · Jan 2, 2014

I am so sick of these pencil neck unicorngots running around with their pog Franken-AR's and video cameras "exercising their rights".

My only guess is that the "Occupy" movement was such a failure that these POGs have to have something else to rally around now.

jtischauser · Jan 2, 2014

Does carrying a rifle around on the streets even fall under "open" carry? The open and concealed carry laws here in OK just deal with pistols doesn't it?

Personally I'm a big fan of not having to worry about concealing your sidearm to avoid breaking the law. With that said I'm not a big fan of open carry.

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

I personally would never open carry. I'm a small woman that could be overpowered by a strong male, and to me, having my gun in plain sight would be asking for some thug to come and get it. The element of surprise would help me, especially since people look at me and think I would not be carrying. In SC where I live it is illegal to open carry, but I live on the border and actually work and spend most of my time in Augusta, GA where open carry is legal. I have a weapons permit in both states but I choose to always conceal.

jtischauser · Jan 2, 2014

I agree no open carry for me. But I don't like worrying about printing or my shirt coming up and getting arrested for my gun taking a peak at the world.

dennishoddy · Jan 2, 2014

If a person has a CC permit in Ok, they can transport a rifle or shotgun in the vehicle with the mag loaded, and inserted. The chamber must remain empty.
If a person does not have a CC license in Ok, the magazine can be loaded, but not inserted on a rifle. The tube on a shotgun cannot be loaded.

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

Jesse Tischauser said:
I agree no open carry for me. But I don't like worrying about printing or my shirt coming up and getting arrested for my gun taking a peak at the world.

That's why you should carry in your bra Jesse, no chance of it getting exposed! Ha!

jtischauser · Jan 2, 2014

I wear a bro not a bra and with my questionable morals it would be exposed more than you would expect.

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

Jesse Tischauser said:
I wear a bro not a bra and with my questionable morals it would be exposed more than you would expect.

Haha! Yeah and your boobs have to print more than your gun to keep it concealed anyway! :wink:

James Peel · Jan 2, 2014

Jennifer S. said:
Haha! Yeah and your boobs have to print more than your gun to keep it concealed anyway! :wink:

damn. that's a mental image of Jesse I could have lived without....

Jefpainthorse · Jan 2, 2014

Jennifer S. said:
http://youtu.be/N30TagPCNE4

Although I am definitely an advocate for gun rights and the right to bear arms, I also am friends with a lot of police officers that put their lives on the line everyday and never know what they are dealing with. I have nothing to hide, so I have no problem showing my CCW or my license if asked. I think guys like this give pro-gun citizens a bad name and I think they went fishing for controversy. In my area we have had three officers shot and killed recently. They have to show their badge, so I don't think it is unreasonable to be asked to show my ID so they know what they are dealing with. I think we take on a lot of responsibility by carrying a gun, including cooperating with law enforcement. It is also my right to walk down the street talking to myself and acting crazy, but the police may get called to come evaluate what is going on with me if I do so. Their job is no evaluate situations and keep everyone safe. Just my opinion and I wondered what other lines of thought were out there. I like to see other's points of view.

We beat this around when OKOC passed

In Ok the SDA clearly states that LEO can't stop you for the open gun as cause for the stop

In Washington State or Oregon ( parts of Missouri ) the issue is the legality of the stop when no evident crime has happened.

In these states ( PA comes to mind also) its legal to OC... So the issue these people are "baiting" is the cops authority to demand ID when no crime is evident.

If the cops stopped every car with loud colors that looked fast because it looked fast we would be having the same discussion.... And the first one of you fast car drivers stopped would be fit to be tied.

The gun is the object here.... The legal precedent is our basic right to not be stopped without cause
If its not against the law... You shouldn't be stopped.

Jennifer Herd Seymour · Jan 2, 2014

Jeff said:
We beat this around when OKOC passed

In Ok the SDA clearly states that LEO can't stop you for the open gun as cause for the stop

In Washington State or Oregon ( parts of Missouri ) the issue is the legality of the stop when no evident crime has happened.

In these states ( PA comes to mind also) its legal to OC... So the issue these people are "baiting" is the cops authority to demand ID when no crime is evident.

If the cops stopped every car with loud colors that looked fast because it looked fast we would be having the same discussion.... And the first one of you fast car drivers stopped would be fit to be tied.

The gun is the object here.... The legal precedent is our basic right to not be stopped without cause
If its not against the law... You shouldn't be stopped.

I can definitely see your point of view. But the police also have to respond to concerned citizens that call in. They had probably gotten multiple calls, and in all honesty, I have three kids and with all the crazy people out there, I would probably want the police to ensure they weren't up to something. They were just walking down the street with more than one gun visible. I would hate to not know they were felons until they opened fire. It isn't illegal to be out at 3am, but if you are walking down the road at 3am you are likely to get a few questions from a police officer that rides by. He did not detain them and told them they could leave. He was just trying to assess if they were a threat or not. I would not be offended at all if an officer stopped me to ask me a few questions. I have nothing to hide. I would have a problem if they tried to detain me or confiscate my weapon, but to me just a few questions is reasonable. Just my humble opinion.

Jefpainthorse · Jan 2, 2014

Jennifer S. said:
I can definitely see your point of view. But the police also have to respond to concerned citizens that call in. They had probably gotten multiple calls, and in all honesty, I have three kids and with all the crazy people out there, I would probably want the police to ensure they weren't up to something. They were just walking down the street with more than one gun visible. I would hate to not know they were felons until they opened fire. It isn't illegal to be out at 3am, but if you are walking down the road at 3am you are likely to get a few questions from a police officer that rides by. He did not detain them and told them they could leave. He was just trying to assess if they were a threat or not. I would not be offended at all if an officer stopped me to ask me a few questions. I have nothing to hide. I would have a problem if they tried to detain me or confiscate my weapon, but to me just a few questions is reasonable. Just my humble opinion.

In the states where police persist in this... its not a matter of opinion. Most folks dont know what their rights are.

I live in a traditional open carry state and find the whole thing amusing....

MetropolisLakeOutfitters · Jan 10, 2014

Being in Kentucky and owning multiple plots of land 1/4 mile apart out in the middle of nowhere, it's nice to know that I can throw my rifle on my back or holster my pistol and walk down a public road to get to the other area. I think the spirit of the law was to allow for things like this and I have no shame in taking advantage of it, although I still get funny looks when that happens. I don't feel that walking around downtown near the capital building was the intent whatsoever.

As for open carry in general in town, I have yet to meet a single person who just did that because it was normal and they didn't want to get a CCDW license. They did it because they wanted to make a statement of sorts. Every single one of them. In this day and age you know good and well that red flags will be raised by several people so why push their buttons needlessly? I agree with Jesse... it is there to keep you from getting arrested for a brandishing charge needlessly, not giving you the right to scare half the city.

MetropolisLakeOutfitters · Jan 10, 2014

Jesse Tischauser said:
I agree no open carry for me. But I don't like worrying about printing or my shirt coming up and getting arrested for my gun taking a peak at the world.

I think some people would be surprised to find that this is enough grounds for a brandishing charge in some states.