Scott Hearn
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I don't get it. Especially when viewed in the context of how things are supposed to be done. Personally I think she's delusional, has Alzheimer's or something. What's more scary are those that agree with her.
The 2013 Assault Weapons Ban Thread
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I don't get it. Especially when viewed in the context of how things are supposed to be done. Personally I think she's delusional, has Alzheimer's or something. What's more scary are those that agree with her.
jspeligene
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I'll probably get flamed on this but.....I thought Wayne LaP didn't come across very well on "meet the press" Sunday. I think he painted himself into a corner. He was trying to sell the police-in-school as a counter measure that might just possibly help prevent further attacks. Which provided the counter arguement that smaller capacity magazines might just maybe-possibly-hopefully prevent or reduce attacks.
I would have thought it better to present it in terms of probabilities...armed resistance by trained school staff members = very high probability of success. More restrictive gun laws = very low (nil) probablility.
My two cents worth.
I would have thought it better to present it in terms of probabilities...armed resistance by trained school staff members = very high probability of success. More restrictive gun laws = very low (nil) probablility.
My two cents worth.
poopgiggle
B Class Nobody
The Senate had to actually pass a bill so that the House and Senate could go through the reconciliation process and people could debate the nuts and bolts of what would actually happen. It's right there in plain English.
Also you guys totally pelvic-thrusted past the actual substance of the post and latched onto a quip I tacked onto the end.
benjamin-benjamin
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so if i am reading this right, they are trying to ban all pistols that can hold over 10 rounds?? that would really crash the whole gun economy, which it is not like the country's economy is in a great place right now..
Wildcat
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Well, at least it has a grandfather clause for weapons owned prior to the bill.
foghorn918
Consistently Inconsistent
Grandfathered weapons have to be registered? ..... The start of a national gun registry, then what's next?
technetium-99m
Mighty Righty
There's going to be back and forth. The NFA thing I think is a pipe dream, not gonna happen, it would take those guys 3+ years to process all those stamps. The 1 feature thing and bullet button things are also not likely.
ChrisC
Revolver Division
They have done it in the past.......so don't kid yourself into thinking it can't be done.
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poopgiggle
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Also remember that's just Dianne Feinstein's agenda.
You know how there's always a wackjob Congressman from Mississippi who's trying to ban gay people and replace the US Constitution with the 10 Commandments? Dianne Feinstein is the liberal version of that guy.
You know how there's always a wackjob Congressman from Mississippi who's trying to ban gay people and replace the US Constitution with the 10 Commandments? Dianne Feinstein is the liberal version of that guy.
benjamin-benjamin
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do you think if i email her about my dream of shooting open with a big stick, it will sway her mind?
technetium-99m
Mighty Righty
They absolutley have, I'm not saying to ignore this, but this is the agenda of California's version of Sally Kern. I think its important to remember this same bill gets introduced every year and it never goes anywhere. California couldn't pass this thing in their own state legislature IMO. Were probably going to be slapped with a new law of some kind, but I don't think it will be exactly what's outlined here.
benjamin-benjamin
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agreed...
Feinstein' s political views on firearms make me sick . She should be stripped of her position for failure to uphold and defend the US Constitution . But they love her out there . She won the last election by a 25% majority . It must be nice to live in la- la land .
dennishoddy
Moderator
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is counseling his fellow Democratic senators about voting in gun related issues.
He's afraid of losing the senate like the Republican sweep two years ago, when they took the house.
He's afraid of losing the senate like the Republican sweep two years ago, when they took the house.
CBR
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Just contacted my Congressman and Senator asking them to stand and support the 2nd amendment 100%, not 99%. Contact YOUR elected officials and encourage everyone you know to do the same.
poopgiggle
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dennishoddy
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Liberals Panic As They Lose the Gun Narrative
By Kurt Schlichter
12/26/2012
When you argue for a living, you can tell how an argument is going for you. The evidence and my gut both tell me that the liberals have lost control of the gun control narrative.
Not for lack of trying â€" it was almost as if they were poised to leap into action across the political, media and cultural spectrum the second the next semi-human creep shot up another “gun free zone.†This was their big opening to shift the debate and now it’s closing. They’ve lost, and they are going nuts.
The evidence is all around that this is not going to be the moment where America begins a slide into disarmed submission through an endless series of ever-harsher “reasonable restrictions†on our fundamental rights. You just have to look past the shrieking media harpies to see what’s really happening.
Let’s start with the most obvious omen that this tsunami has peaked. President Obama thrilled his base by grandstanding at the memorial, and then promptly washed his hands of it by handing it over to a “blue ribbon commission.†Making Joe Biden its chairman was like staking a vampire through the heart, then hosing him down with holy water before burying his body beneath the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
Why does Obama want this gun thing buried? While intensely popular with metrosexual pundits, coastal liberals, and cultural bigots slobbering at the opportunity to stick it to those banjo â€"strummin’, God-believers out in the hinterlands, gun control remains poison to Red State Democrats.
Joe Manchin of West Virginia couldn’t resist some sanctimonious posturing, but clearly he heard enough from his constituents to sprint-back his heresy with a WaPo op-ed explaining how awesome the NRA is and how groovy gun owners are. He will never take sides against the family again.
We didn’t see the Red State Democrats up for re-election in two years out dumping on their constituents to please the media. Call it “the Fredo Effect,†and 2014 is the rowboat. We won’t hear from the likes of Senators Landrieu, Pryor and Begich until they vote “No.â€
Sure, Senator Feinstein will submit her gun ban wish list to Harry Reid, who will look at it sagely, nod politely, and let it die. He’s more Tom Hagen than Fredo. He is going to retain the NRA “A†rating his website proudly showcases regardless of what Chuck Schumer thinks. What gets you hosannas in Manhattan gets you unemployed in Searchlight.
So, the politicians’ actions have spoken louder than their words, but what of the media? We lawyers always say that when your case is strong, pound on the law and the evidence, and when your case is weak, pound on the table. The furniture is splintering in Liberalland.
Their post-Newtown strategy was always to prevent an effective response from the pro-gun freedom side by both rapid action and by demonization. But the holidays and the kabuki theater that is the fiscal cliff drama meant that legislative action, their Holy Grail, would have to wait. That gave people time to think and the gun freedom side the time to react.
Demonizing those who support gun freedom was always intended as a weapon to silence them. It was also critical that we, law-abiding gun owners, become the Other. By dehumanizing us and painting us as evil, it is that much easier to strip us of our rights.
But gun freedom advocates fought back. Using the mainstream media, conservative media and especially social media â€" we need to understand its huge significance here â€" gun freedom advocates countered liberals’ bogus “facts.†Media reports about “automatic†weapons were corrected, clownish statements about “high caliber magazines†and “large capacity round†were mocked. The struggle raged over millions of Facebook posts. The average citizen saw gun banners ask “When will America control access to weapons?†and then saw several experts among his or her friends post about the significant hurdles one needs to get over to get a gun. Truth bypassed the mainstream media and became a weapon for the side of fundamental rights.
The banners overplayed their hand, losing credibility with every distortion, evasion and smear. The cries of “Blood is on your hands!†failed to resonate â€" reasonable Americans just did not blame the actions of a single sociopath on millions of their fellow neighbors. And it did not help when third-string celebrities and wizened literary has-beens took to hoping gun rights advocates would be shot for daring to oppose disarmament.
The gun banners also counted on a narrative that portrayed a respect for the Second Amendment. They sought only “reasonable restrictions†â€" why, no one wants to ban or confiscate your guns! The problem was one of memo distribution â€" not everybody got that memo. Mayor Bloomberg was putting out that what few guns he might graciously deign to leave in the hands of the unworthy would be starved of bullets, while Governor Cuomo acknowledged that confiscation was one of the options.
Oops. “Gun control†is a process that is designed and intended to lead to a total gun ban, and the banners are counting on people not realizing it.
Their credibility and motives already in question, the gun banners became vulnerable to a shift in the paradigm from depriving law-abiding citizens of effective defensive weapons to the idea of protecting kids with armed personnel in schools.
Suddenly, the gun banners had to argue two ridiculous positions. The first was that allowing trained educators or police having weapons in schools is a danger. The problem is that people generally like and trust teachers and cops. The second position was even worse, that armed personnel or police are somehow utterly useless against untrained, amateur creeps who seek to confront six-year olds. All over America, millions of parents noted how none of the wealthy gun banners were disbanding their personal security teams and thought, “You know, I think I’d like having a cop around my kid too.â€
Frustration at the fact that their argument had not been unquestioningly accepted morphed into faux moral outrage that their opponents had dared offer any alternative proposal at all. E.J. Dionne of the WaPo was a prime example. He had to “grope for words to describe the National Rifle Association’s proposal,†yet he managed to find some: “Absurd, unbelievable, tragic, obscene,†as well as “insane.â€
Note that Dionne’s righteous fury does not apply to the armed guards at the Post’s front door, surrounding President Obama, or to anywhere else other than in the vicinity of regular people’s children.
Particularly amusing are the liberals who transform into green eyeshades misers with the public purse when it comes to cops in schools. The folks who can’t spend enough dough on fudge-smeared, patriarchy-challenging performance artists suddenly become thrifty Scotsmen when it comes to doling out a few shillings to put a cop on campus.
They have been unable to articulate any coherent argument opposing putting cops in schools because there is no coherent argument against putting cops in schools. But more than anything, the mommies at the affluent Los Angeles-area school my kids attend have convinced me that the narrative has escaped the gun grabbers.
Knowing our reputations as proud conservatives â€" we represent diversity for our liberal friends â€" a pal of my wife remarked, out of the blue, that “I think my husband and I need to buy guns.†Whoa.
And as third graders sang holiday songs at their pageant while I surveyed the packed, vulnerable room, I blurted out to another mommy that I wished I could legally carry a weapon to protect those kids. And she told me that she wished that I could too. Whoa.
Gun banners, you lost the President, the senators, the social media, and now you’ve lost liberal LA mommies. You’ve lost everything. Again.
Kurt Schlichter
Kurt Schlichter's freelance work has been published in nationally recognized publications like the New York Post, Washington Examiner, Los Angeles Times, the Boston Globe, the Washington Times, the Army Times, and the San Francisco Examiner.
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By Kurt Schlichter
12/26/2012
When you argue for a living, you can tell how an argument is going for you. The evidence and my gut both tell me that the liberals have lost control of the gun control narrative.
Not for lack of trying â€" it was almost as if they were poised to leap into action across the political, media and cultural spectrum the second the next semi-human creep shot up another “gun free zone.†This was their big opening to shift the debate and now it’s closing. They’ve lost, and they are going nuts.
The evidence is all around that this is not going to be the moment where America begins a slide into disarmed submission through an endless series of ever-harsher “reasonable restrictions†on our fundamental rights. You just have to look past the shrieking media harpies to see what’s really happening.
Let’s start with the most obvious omen that this tsunami has peaked. President Obama thrilled his base by grandstanding at the memorial, and then promptly washed his hands of it by handing it over to a “blue ribbon commission.†Making Joe Biden its chairman was like staking a vampire through the heart, then hosing him down with holy water before burying his body beneath the Gilroy Garlic Festival.
Why does Obama want this gun thing buried? While intensely popular with metrosexual pundits, coastal liberals, and cultural bigots slobbering at the opportunity to stick it to those banjo â€"strummin’, God-believers out in the hinterlands, gun control remains poison to Red State Democrats.
Joe Manchin of West Virginia couldn’t resist some sanctimonious posturing, but clearly he heard enough from his constituents to sprint-back his heresy with a WaPo op-ed explaining how awesome the NRA is and how groovy gun owners are. He will never take sides against the family again.
We didn’t see the Red State Democrats up for re-election in two years out dumping on their constituents to please the media. Call it “the Fredo Effect,†and 2014 is the rowboat. We won’t hear from the likes of Senators Landrieu, Pryor and Begich until they vote “No.â€
Sure, Senator Feinstein will submit her gun ban wish list to Harry Reid, who will look at it sagely, nod politely, and let it die. He’s more Tom Hagen than Fredo. He is going to retain the NRA “A†rating his website proudly showcases regardless of what Chuck Schumer thinks. What gets you hosannas in Manhattan gets you unemployed in Searchlight.
So, the politicians’ actions have spoken louder than their words, but what of the media? We lawyers always say that when your case is strong, pound on the law and the evidence, and when your case is weak, pound on the table. The furniture is splintering in Liberalland.
Their post-Newtown strategy was always to prevent an effective response from the pro-gun freedom side by both rapid action and by demonization. But the holidays and the kabuki theater that is the fiscal cliff drama meant that legislative action, their Holy Grail, would have to wait. That gave people time to think and the gun freedom side the time to react.
Demonizing those who support gun freedom was always intended as a weapon to silence them. It was also critical that we, law-abiding gun owners, become the Other. By dehumanizing us and painting us as evil, it is that much easier to strip us of our rights.
But gun freedom advocates fought back. Using the mainstream media, conservative media and especially social media â€" we need to understand its huge significance here â€" gun freedom advocates countered liberals’ bogus “facts.†Media reports about “automatic†weapons were corrected, clownish statements about “high caliber magazines†and “large capacity round†were mocked. The struggle raged over millions of Facebook posts. The average citizen saw gun banners ask “When will America control access to weapons?†and then saw several experts among his or her friends post about the significant hurdles one needs to get over to get a gun. Truth bypassed the mainstream media and became a weapon for the side of fundamental rights.
The banners overplayed their hand, losing credibility with every distortion, evasion and smear. The cries of “Blood is on your hands!†failed to resonate â€" reasonable Americans just did not blame the actions of a single sociopath on millions of their fellow neighbors. And it did not help when third-string celebrities and wizened literary has-beens took to hoping gun rights advocates would be shot for daring to oppose disarmament.
The gun banners also counted on a narrative that portrayed a respect for the Second Amendment. They sought only “reasonable restrictions†â€" why, no one wants to ban or confiscate your guns! The problem was one of memo distribution â€" not everybody got that memo. Mayor Bloomberg was putting out that what few guns he might graciously deign to leave in the hands of the unworthy would be starved of bullets, while Governor Cuomo acknowledged that confiscation was one of the options.
Oops. “Gun control†is a process that is designed and intended to lead to a total gun ban, and the banners are counting on people not realizing it.
Their credibility and motives already in question, the gun banners became vulnerable to a shift in the paradigm from depriving law-abiding citizens of effective defensive weapons to the idea of protecting kids with armed personnel in schools.
Suddenly, the gun banners had to argue two ridiculous positions. The first was that allowing trained educators or police having weapons in schools is a danger. The problem is that people generally like and trust teachers and cops. The second position was even worse, that armed personnel or police are somehow utterly useless against untrained, amateur creeps who seek to confront six-year olds. All over America, millions of parents noted how none of the wealthy gun banners were disbanding their personal security teams and thought, “You know, I think I’d like having a cop around my kid too.â€
Frustration at the fact that their argument had not been unquestioningly accepted morphed into faux moral outrage that their opponents had dared offer any alternative proposal at all. E.J. Dionne of the WaPo was a prime example. He had to “grope for words to describe the National Rifle Association’s proposal,†yet he managed to find some: “Absurd, unbelievable, tragic, obscene,†as well as “insane.â€
Note that Dionne’s righteous fury does not apply to the armed guards at the Post’s front door, surrounding President Obama, or to anywhere else other than in the vicinity of regular people’s children.
Particularly amusing are the liberals who transform into green eyeshades misers with the public purse when it comes to cops in schools. The folks who can’t spend enough dough on fudge-smeared, patriarchy-challenging performance artists suddenly become thrifty Scotsmen when it comes to doling out a few shillings to put a cop on campus.
They have been unable to articulate any coherent argument opposing putting cops in schools because there is no coherent argument against putting cops in schools. But more than anything, the mommies at the affluent Los Angeles-area school my kids attend have convinced me that the narrative has escaped the gun grabbers.
Knowing our reputations as proud conservatives â€" we represent diversity for our liberal friends â€" a pal of my wife remarked, out of the blue, that “I think my husband and I need to buy guns.†Whoa.
And as third graders sang holiday songs at their pageant while I surveyed the packed, vulnerable room, I blurted out to another mommy that I wished I could legally carry a weapon to protect those kids. And she told me that she wished that I could too. Whoa.
Gun banners, you lost the President, the senators, the social media, and now you’ve lost liberal LA mommies. You’ve lost everything. Again.
Kurt Schlichter
Kurt Schlichter's freelance work has been published in nationally recognized publications like the New York Post, Washington Examiner, Los Angeles Times, the Boston Globe, the Washington Times, the Army Times, and the San Francisco Examiner.
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This is a great article and I can personally speak to the fact that once die hard liberal gun haters (or at least gun dissenters) have turned a corner. My brother is just such a person. He's a liberal with an art major in college so hes always been a peace loving hipster that never understood my passion for guns and shooting. Out of the blue the other day he shot me a text explaining how he now wants to get a gun. He too wants to be able to protect himself if the need arises. It's a big turning point for him and the sentiment is one that is spreading.
