Syria

[Wormydog1724]

What is the likeliness of a retaliation strike (from USSR or Chicom) here on the 'homeland'?

 

[threegungeezer]

What is the likeliness of a retaliation strike (from USSR or Chicom) here on the 'homeland'?

I really don't see a high likelyhood of a "military strike" but I would consider an Al Qaeda terror attack VERY likely. Also Israel is the one being threatened with being the target of any military retaliation. Israel won't take any elephant dung(and I do not expect them to) and that would most likely be the start of WW3

 

[dennishoddy]

Interestingly, Obummer finally showed up at the G20 summit today in Moscow.
Putin immediately put him on notice that he will install missile defense systems if our congress give him the go ahead to make a punitive strike.

The Syrian Air force has relocated to the Russian Naval base in Syria in anticipation of strikes.

The Chinese also warned obummer that they won't stand still for military actions, and are moving naval units to the region.

Russia is also increasing their presence with additional warships.

New video's of militants( the opposition according to obummer ) have been executing Syrian soldiers, and decapitating them.

I wonder who is going to blink in this confrontation?

If we do, we are the laughing stock of the world. If we don't we are supporting the very people that have vowed to destroy our country and way of life.

We loose no matter what.

 

[Bob Sanders]

Our president is a post turtle. View attachment 5447

 

[dennishoddy]

Current news reports Obama will be escalating the strike beyond what he said.

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[Ksmirk]

This is not looking all that well for us! what would be the most awesome thing is if the Navy fired up the ships and headed back home and attacked the true terrorists. About time to take the ass hat in charge out of the drivers seat and a few others with him. I'm normally not to big on politics but enough is enough! I'm pissed!! Later,

Kirk

 

[dennishoddy]

This is not looking all that well for us! what would be the most awesome thing is if the Navy fired up the ships and headed back home and attacked the true terrorists. About time to take the ass hat in charge out of the drivers seat and a few others with him. I'm normally not to big on politics but enough is enough! I'm pissed!! Later,

Kirk

I'm pissed as well.
I'm normally a send a nuke and make a glass skate board bowl type of person, but in this case, we are supporting the very people that want to kill us. I don't understand.....Actually I do, but I'll leave it there.

 

[poopgiggle]

If we do, we are the laughing stock of the world. If we don't we are supporting the very people that have vowed to destroy our country and way of life.

We loose no matter what.

Zbigniew Brzezinski (who has been stridently anti-interventionist) said something yesterday to the effect of, "ideally we wouldn't be intervening but now our hands are pretty much tied so we have to do SOMETHING." His assertion is that we need to do a lot of strategic tapdancing so that we maintain credibility and influence in the region without ourselves becoming "a protagonist." I haven't found any video online but I'll post it if I see it.

My understanding is that the "opposition" isn't monolithic; it's composed of several groups who don't necessarily like each other very much. Making them all out to be Islamic fundamentalist terrorists is just as simplistic as saying they're all pure-hearted freedom fighters who just want democracy and titty bars. It would be great if we could figure out a way to prop up the democratic opposition by themselves.

While we're dreaming I'd like a pony.

 

[Scott Hearn]

Zbigniew Brzezinski (who has been stridently anti-interventionist) said something yesterday to the effect of, "ideally we wouldn't be intervening but now our hands are pretty much tied so we have to do SOMETHING." His assertion is that we need to do a lot of strategic tapdancing so that we maintain credibility and influence in the region without ourselves becoming "a protagonist." I haven't found any video online but I'll post it if I see it.

My understanding is that the "opposition" isn't monolithic; it's composed of several groups who don't necessarily like each other very much. Making them all out to be Islamic fundamentalist terrorists is just as simplistic as saying they're all pure-hearted freedom fighters who just want democracy and titty bars. It would be great if we could figure out a way to prop up the democratic opposition by themselves.

While we're dreaming I'd like a pony.

Couple of things.

These groups are various groups making up what's referred to as the "rebels". And you are right that they all don't necessarily get along. What these brainiacs in D.C. are thinking is that they can be controlled, a moderate leader can be installed, and that those in D.C. are smart enough to be able to make friends with them. What will actually happen is that when Assad falls they'll turn their guns on each other and continue on with their civil war. They will be fighting to take Assad's place.

The second thing is that nobody trusts Obama to be able to manage a damn thing. Not only us but the rest of the world. If we had a strong leader who actually had leadership ability there would be much more support all around the world for doing something.

 

[poopgiggle]

The second thing is that nobody trusts Obama to be able to manage a damn thing. Not only us but the rest of the world. If we had a strong leader who actually had leadership ability there would be much more support all around the world for doing something.

Let's be real, the fact that the US is the boy who cried 'WMD' is also a factor.

 

[dennishoddy]

My understanding is that the "opposition" isn't monolithic; it's composed of several groups who don't necessarily like each other very much. Making them all out to be Islamic fundamentalist terrorists is just as simplistic as saying they're all pure-hearted freedom fighters who just want democracy and titty bars. It would be great if we could figure out a way to prop up the democratic opposition by themselves.

While we're dreaming I'd like a pony.

Your correct. Some of the "rebels" are merely groups of armed men under a leader. Some of the groups are only 100-300 strong, and have already started fighting turf wars among each other to see who controls what region when Assad is taken out, or is not taken out. They don't care about anything but their little piece of the turf.

 

[poopgiggle]

Zbigniew Brzezinski (who has been stridently anti-interventionist) said something yesterday to the effect of, "ideally we wouldn't be intervening but now our hands are pretty much tied so we have to do SOMETHING." His assertion is that we need to do a lot of strategic tapdancing so that we maintain credibility and influence in the region without ourselves becoming "a protagonist." I haven't found any video online but I'll post it if I see it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/vp/52919161#52919161

Skip ahead to 09:30.

Actually the whole segment is good if you can skip past the parts where Joe Scarborough is talking.

 

[scubor2]

I find it kind of ironic that it looks like congress will deny Obama his right to bear arms. Nobody needs to have a cruise missile.

 

[argyle64]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong,33752/

WASHINGTONâ€"As President Obama continues to push for a plan of limited military intervention in Syria, a new poll of Americans has found that though the nation remains wary over the prospect of becoming involved in another Middle Eastern war, the vast majority of U.S. citizens strongly approve of sending Congress to Syria.
The New York Times/CBS News poll showed that though just 1 in 4 Americans believe that the United States has a responsibility to intervene in the Syrian conflict, more than 90 percent of the public is convinced that putting all 535 representatives of the United States Congress on the ground in Syriaâ€"including Senate pro tempore Patrick Leahy, House Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, and, in fact, all current members of the House and Senateâ€"is the best course of action at this time.
“I believe it is in the best interest of the United States, and the global community as a whole, to move forward with the deployment of all U.S. congressional leaders to Syria immediately,” respondent Carol Abare, 50, said in the nationwide telephone survey, echoing the thoughts of an estimated 9 in 10 Americans who said they “strongly support” any plan of action that involves putting the U.S. House and Senate on the ground in the war-torn Middle Eastern state. “With violence intensifying every day, now is absolutely the right momentâ€"the perfect moment, reallyâ€"for the United States to send our legislators to the region.”
“In fact, my preference would have been for Congress to be deployed months ago,” she added.
Citing overwhelming support from the international communityâ€"including that of the Arab League, Turkey, and France, as well as Great Britain, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Japan, Mexico, China, and Canada, all of whom are reported to be unilaterally in favor of sending the U.S. Congress to Syriaâ€"the majority of survey respondents said they believe the United States should refocus its entire approach to Syria’s civil war on the ground deployment of U.S. senators and representatives, regardless of whether the Assad regime used chemical weapons or not.
In fact, 91 percent of those surveyed agreed that the active use of sarin gas attacks by the Syrian government would, if anything, only increase poll respondents’ desire to send Congress to Syria.
Public opinion was essentially unchanged when survey respondents were asked about a broader range of attacks, with more than 79 percent of Americans saying they would strongly support sending Congress to Syria in cases of bomb and missile attacks, 78 percent supporting intervention in cases of kidnappings and executions, and 75 percent saying representatives should be deployed in cases where government forces were found to have used torture.
When asked if they believe that Sen. Rand Paul should be deployed to Syria, 100 percent of respondents said yes.
“There’s no doubt in my mind that sending Congress to Syriaâ€"or, at the very least, sending the major congressional leaders in both partiesâ€"is the correct course of action,” survey respondent and Iraq war veteran Maj. Gen. John Mill said, noting that his opinion was informed by four tours of duty in which he saw dozens of close friends sustain physical as well as emotional injury and post-traumatic stress. “There is a clear solution to our problems staring us right in the face here, and we need to take action.”
“Sooner rather than later, too,” Mill added. “This war isn’t going to last forever.”

 

[Dux-R-Us]

Last week Obama said he could legally do it without congress.

He must have been thinking that Pres. George Bush the Younger (i.e. 'W') had set a precedent with Iraq.

 

[poopgiggle]