Stag 3G Barrel

[Wildcat]

Does anyone have any pictures of the barrel with the hand guard removed or know what the weight is? I am trying to decide if I want to get the 3G upper or build my own with a Loki 18" barrel. I figure they will both end up pretty close in price.

 

[nikatkimber]

Loki's page says 31oz.

Makeready shows them in stock here.

 

[Wildcat]

Yeah I saw the specs in the Loki, I was just curious how stags barrel compared to the Loki (fluting profile, and in turn weight).

 

[jtischauser]

 

[jtischauser]

I think the Stag barrel maybe a few ounces heavier than the Loki. My mail scale won't weigh over 32 oz and it couldn't weigh this barrel.

I doubt you can build a comparable upper as cheaply as you can buy the Stag. Both my Loki 3G and my Stag 3G shoot lights out so either way you can't go wrong.

You might take a look at that Wilson barrel from Nordic Components as well. Tony might sell those too.

 

[Wildcat]

Thanks Jesse, I appreciate you taking these pictures for me. I reran the numbers and it looks like if I built one off the Loki I would be in the 750 range without a BCG. From what I can tell the stag comes with a BCG so that's an extra 100+ right there even if I end up replacing it with something else.

 

[Matt1911]

FYI, loki can shave your bolt carrier to make it light weight if you want to go with a lmos setup. I did it and can definitely tell a difference in recoil.

 

[nikatkimber]

Where can you get the Stag 3G upper?

 

[Wildcat]

Nobody that I've found has them in stock, but I've been quoted $699 with a 7-8 week lead drop shipped from stag.

 

[nikatkimber]

Don't know if this place has them in stock, but they're listed for $699.

http://www.ar15sales.com/store/page2.html

 

[Wildcat]

Does a lighter carrier really affect the recoil? I could see cycle rate improvement but I can't really see recoil reduction. Kinetic energy transfer would be higher with a lower mass I would think. (ke=.5*m*v*v)

 

[Wildcat]

Well, I guess it would take less gas to cycle it, so if you tuned it that would drop the recoil.

 

[Matt1911]

Coupled with a low mass buffer and an adjustable gas block it will reduce felt recoil. I notice a difference in mine for sure.
A good comp helps too.

 

[drmitchgibson]

Lower mass=less inertia=faster=shorter duration of impulse=less felt recoil

 

[jtischauser]

Thanks Jesse, I appreciate you taking these pictures for me. I reran the numbers and it looks like if I built one off the Loki I would be in the 750 range without a BCG. From what I can tell the stag comes with a BCG so that's an extra 100+ right there even if I end up replacing it with something else.

If you are going to change out a bunch of parts you might as well build from scratch. The low mass system from JP or Loki work. Reliability can go down from the adjustable gas but it's fine if you don't get too greedy leaving it shut. Be sure to shoot it dirty and in the cold to make sure it runs.

 

[jtischauser]

Im waiting on a 3G upper myself. Just like Loki everybody is outta parts.

 

[Wildcat]

I think that's the way I'm going to go. I'm in no big hurry and I'll get an extra carrier out of it.

 

[Wildcat]

Got my stag upper thus week and just had the chance to put a new lower together tonight.

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[Jetdrive]

I have been really thinking about ordering this upper...

 

[jtischauser]

The sooner the better because like everything else they are back ordered for weeks.