bsdubois00
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Square Deal B vs 550b vs Lock-n-Load AP
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technetium-99m
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[quote author=jtischauser link=topic=33.msg370#msg370 date=1284850460]
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg367#msg367 date=1284849751]
I'd like to reload .40 s&w and .223
I really want to load up some 62 and 77 grain .223 and see how they do out of my WOA barrel. It shoots 50 grain federal bulk pretty good but since its 1:7 twist I think heavier is better.
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The morale of this long ass story is I am not sold on the heavy bullets. In fact that slower heavy bullet in the Black Hills is going to be out of the range bag after the match next weekend. I gotta get the press working.
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You can make the heavy bullets go really fast, I've gotten the Hornady 75gr bullet to 2800 fps with great results, you just have to pick the right powder. I think brass life may be limited though. :103:
The Hornady 55gr fmj's can be belted out at close to 3100 out of an 18" barrel, 2" high at 100, 4" high at 200, and dead on at 300.
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg367#msg367 date=1284849751]
I'd like to reload .40 s&w and .223
I really want to load up some 62 and 77 grain .223 and see how they do out of my WOA barrel. It shoots 50 grain federal bulk pretty good but since its 1:7 twist I think heavier is better.
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The morale of this long ass story is I am not sold on the heavy bullets. In fact that slower heavy bullet in the Black Hills is going to be out of the range bag after the match next weekend. I gotta get the press working.
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You can make the heavy bullets go really fast, I've gotten the Hornady 75gr bullet to 2800 fps with great results, you just have to pick the right powder. I think brass life may be limited though. :103:
The Hornady 55gr fmj's can be belted out at close to 3100 out of an 18" barrel, 2" high at 100, 4" high at 200, and dead on at 300.
Bruno2
Active Fanatic
Hey guys just checking in with some of my own opinions. I have a Hornady LNL AP . This machine is built like a tank to say the least. I cant knock Dillon their equipment is top notch also. I prefer the red of the Hornady. All my shotgun loaders are Hornady also. Both manufacturers have some of the best customer service and warranties out there.
Changing calibers on the LNL is pretty simple and quick also. As far as dies go I prefer RCBS , Redding and Dillon. Lee makes pretty good dies , but , they wont do anything for free like the others I mentioned. I have bought used dies at gun shows branded RCBS. One set had some scratches in them . I told RCBS that I bought them used . They told me they didn't care send them in if we cant fix them we will replace them no charge. I bought a Dillon scale off of EBay (magnetic beam balance) . The scale looked brand new , but , it didn't have the powder pan with it. I thought no problem I will just buy one and still should be money ahead. I called Dillon they informed me that they couldn't get the pan. However they said an independent company makes both Dillon and RCBS beam balance sales. The Dillon CS rep suggested that I call RCBS and get one from them. I called RCBS and told them exactly what the deal was . Keep in mind I am not trying to hustle anybody . I paid around $24.00 for the scale and that included shipping. Another $20.00-$25.00 would still keep me in the range of a smokin good deal. RCBS told me they had the pans for the scale. I said well send me one out please. I waited for him to ask me for my CC info, but , he didn't. I said hold on I need to pay for it and finish the transaction. He told me there would be no charge . I see that you are a former customer and we would like to give you the powder pan.So they did.
That's good CS on both sides of the fence. Dillon didn't have to recommend their competitors for the part. RCBS didn't have to give me anything . The scale was used and not even their product , but , they wanted my future business and they will get it as far as I am concerned.
I have done stupid things with dies and damaged them accidentally. RCBS didn't care they fixed them or replaced them for free.
Lee will charge you to fix their stuff and their is better made stuff out there..
Changing calibers on the LNL is pretty simple and quick also. As far as dies go I prefer RCBS , Redding and Dillon. Lee makes pretty good dies , but , they wont do anything for free like the others I mentioned. I have bought used dies at gun shows branded RCBS. One set had some scratches in them . I told RCBS that I bought them used . They told me they didn't care send them in if we cant fix them we will replace them no charge. I bought a Dillon scale off of EBay (magnetic beam balance) . The scale looked brand new , but , it didn't have the powder pan with it. I thought no problem I will just buy one and still should be money ahead. I called Dillon they informed me that they couldn't get the pan. However they said an independent company makes both Dillon and RCBS beam balance sales. The Dillon CS rep suggested that I call RCBS and get one from them. I called RCBS and told them exactly what the deal was . Keep in mind I am not trying to hustle anybody . I paid around $24.00 for the scale and that included shipping. Another $20.00-$25.00 would still keep me in the range of a smokin good deal. RCBS told me they had the pans for the scale. I said well send me one out please. I waited for him to ask me for my CC info, but , he didn't. I said hold on I need to pay for it and finish the transaction. He told me there would be no charge . I see that you are a former customer and we would like to give you the powder pan.So they did.
That's good CS on both sides of the fence. Dillon didn't have to recommend their competitors for the part. RCBS didn't have to give me anything . The scale was used and not even their product , but , they wanted my future business and they will get it as far as I am concerned.
I have done stupid things with dies and damaged them accidentally. RCBS didn't care they fixed them or replaced them for free.
Lee will charge you to fix their stuff and their is better made stuff out there..
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg361#msg361 date=1284849337]
I would like to get into reloading but the start up cost is what is holding me back.[/quote]
Get too involved with the USPSA thing and you're gonna have to reload.
I shoot primarily 9mm and burned through several cases of steel-cased Brown Bear in the last 3 months in classes & matches.
Steel cased Russian ammo: $0.20 per round.
Reloads: $0.09-.11 per round.
Shoot 2K rounds a month like I've averaged lately and the reloading equipment pays for itself in 5 or 6 weeks. It would be even faster for you shooting 40 S&W just because factory 40 is so damn expensive.
As of today I'm DONE buying factory ammo (minus defensive stuff, of course).
I would like to get into reloading but the start up cost is what is holding me back.[/quote]
Get too involved with the USPSA thing and you're gonna have to reload.
I shoot primarily 9mm and burned through several cases of steel-cased Brown Bear in the last 3 months in classes & matches.
Steel cased Russian ammo: $0.20 per round.
Reloads: $0.09-.11 per round.
Shoot 2K rounds a month like I've averaged lately and the reloading equipment pays for itself in 5 or 6 weeks. It would be even faster for you shooting 40 S&W just because factory 40 is so damn expensive.
As of today I'm DONE buying factory ammo (minus defensive stuff, of course).
Bruno2
Active Fanatic
[quote author=jtischauser link=topic=33.msg370#msg370 date=1284850460]
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg367#msg367 date=1284849751]
I'd like to reload .40 s&w and .223
I really want to load up some 62 and 77 grain .223 and see how they do out of my WOA barrel. It shoots 50 grain federal bulk pretty good but since its 1:7 twist I think heavier is better.
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I was shooting my Black Hills 69gr sierra MK today at 400 & 500 with my Accupoint scope and a 300 yard zero. Out of my 18" barrel they are traveling about 2685 ft/sec. I was holding over 16" at 400 and 46" at 500. The full value cross wind at 10+mph had me holding 10"+ off the south side. My buddy Chris was shooting 55gr Hornady that where running hot at 3000+ (can't remember the exact number) but he was 10"+ flatter and not any less adjustment for windage.
The morale of this long ass story is I am not sold on the heavy bullets. In fact that slower heavy bullet in the Black Hills is going to be out of the range bag after the match next weekend. I gotta get the press working.
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The bullet selection does directly relate to rate of twist. The faster the twist the heavier thebullet. Where the difference is lies in the length of the bullet. All .223 rem projectiles are .224 dia. When a heavier bullet is produced since they are all the same dia the additional material goes to add length. Since the twist is so much faster, there is actually more contact with the rifling to the bullet. So basicly instead of riding on one groove its riding two. I will find a link that describes it better. I used to think that this theory was directly related to the weight factor , but , I found out later that it is more dependent on the length of the projectile.
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg367#msg367 date=1284849751]
I'd like to reload .40 s&w and .223
I really want to load up some 62 and 77 grain .223 and see how they do out of my WOA barrel. It shoots 50 grain federal bulk pretty good but since its 1:7 twist I think heavier is better.
[/quote]
I was shooting my Black Hills 69gr sierra MK today at 400 & 500 with my Accupoint scope and a 300 yard zero. Out of my 18" barrel they are traveling about 2685 ft/sec. I was holding over 16" at 400 and 46" at 500. The full value cross wind at 10+mph had me holding 10"+ off the south side. My buddy Chris was shooting 55gr Hornady that where running hot at 3000+ (can't remember the exact number) but he was 10"+ flatter and not any less adjustment for windage.
The morale of this long ass story is I am not sold on the heavy bullets. In fact that slower heavy bullet in the Black Hills is going to be out of the range bag after the match next weekend. I gotta get the press working.
[/quote]
The bullet selection does directly relate to rate of twist. The faster the twist the heavier thebullet. Where the difference is lies in the length of the bullet. All .223 rem projectiles are .224 dia. When a heavier bullet is produced since they are all the same dia the additional material goes to add length. Since the twist is so much faster, there is actually more contact with the rifling to the bullet. So basicly instead of riding on one groove its riding two. I will find a link that describes it better. I used to think that this theory was directly related to the weight factor , but , I found out later that it is more dependent on the length of the projectile.
Bruno2
Active Fanatic
JT this could very well be a powder problem also. SMK bullets are some of the best match bullets on the market. Black Hills may be producing the cartridges with a powder that is too slow for your barrel length. 17" barrels are going to require probably the fastest rifle powder available for .223 Rem. I posted a burn rate chart in this forum just for a quick reference when you guys are loading. Short bbl fast powder, long bbl slow powder.
Scott Hearn
Well-Known Fanatic
[quote author=Chambers link=topic=33.msg1846#msg1846 date=1286426157]
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg361#msg361 date=1284849337]
I would like to get into reloading but the start up cost is what is holding me back.[/quote]
Get too involved with the USPSA thing and you're gonna have to reload.
I shoot primarily 9mm and burned through several cases of steel-cased Brown Bear in the last 3 months in classes & matches.
Steel cased Russian ammo: $0.20 per round.
Reloads: $0.09-.11 per round. And a hell of a lot better quality.
Shoot 2K rounds a month like I've averaged lately and the reloading equipment pays for itself in 5 or 6 weeks. It would be even faster for you shooting 40 S&W just because factory 40 is so damn expensive.
As of today I'm DONE buying factory ammo (minus defensive stuff, of course).
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Fixed it for ya.
[quote author=Wormydog1724 link=topic=33.msg361#msg361 date=1284849337]
I would like to get into reloading but the start up cost is what is holding me back.[/quote]
Get too involved with the USPSA thing and you're gonna have to reload.
I shoot primarily 9mm and burned through several cases of steel-cased Brown Bear in the last 3 months in classes & matches.
Steel cased Russian ammo: $0.20 per round.
Reloads: $0.09-.11 per round. And a hell of a lot better quality.
Shoot 2K rounds a month like I've averaged lately and the reloading equipment pays for itself in 5 or 6 weeks. It would be even faster for you shooting 40 S&W just because factory 40 is so damn expensive.
As of today I'm DONE buying factory ammo (minus defensive stuff, of course).
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Fixed it for ya.
Bruno2
Active Fanatic
Instead of sorting through all the threads using the search option which was taking forever. I started a new thread.
Here is a linky http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425876
Here is a linky http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425876
