Shoot-no shoot?

Bob Sanders

Bob Sanders

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Scenario: There is a bully in Will's neighborhood. A guy known for obnoxious behavior, bar fighting, and fancies himself as a righteous badass, all the while trying to lure neighborhood men into some verbal or physical altercation to prove his dominance. Will doesn't feed the troll, and tries to minimize contact. But, on this occasion, the troll pushes the right button and Will pushes back with a snappy retort. Said troll flies into familiar indignant rage, comes across street and gonna teach Will a lesson. Troll is younger, stronger, and out of control. Will has a .38 snubby in his pocket. Does Will get in a fighting stance and probably take an ass whipping, or should he eliminate the threat?

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BobS761 said:
Scenario: There is a bully in Will's neighborhood. A guy known for obnoxious behavior, bar fighting, and fancies himself as a righteous badass, all the while trying to lure neighborhood men into some verbal or physical altercation to prove his dominance.
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Let me stop you right here. Is this guys name Matt Rigsby or Mike Cyrwus?
 
That's funny. This sort of thing happens in Yukon with a particular character pretty regularly. He has yet to be shot.
 
That is kind of funny. Not to derail the thread but lookup skidmore Missouri on Wikipedia sometime.

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I’ll only speak to Kentucky laws; under KRS if Will is “in fear of his life” he is justified in using deadly force to eliminate the threat (aka - the Bully needed killin’)
 
Burk Cornelius said:
Will's about to get his ass kicked
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That seems to be the outcome. At least in Kentucky, if you don't think he's going to kill you, you gotta take your ass whippin.
 
Best I can tell here in Oklahoma Will would be taken an ass whoopin. Last I checked, "some people just need killin'" isn't a valid legal defense.
 
Maybe will needs to get a bat or a shovel and reconfigure the guy's face and make it clear that the bullshit is going to have to stop. Don't necessarily have to kill the guy.
 
Just finished my CCW class. The correct answer seems to depend on the culture where you live. Pro 2A areas may be more sympathetic and less likely to prosecute, whereas other places may try to hang you. Either, there is still the possibility of civil action. Not a great answer, but probably truthful.
 
Spencer said:
All sorts of crazy stuff goes down in FL.

That's bad advice.
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But....but...but they have ocean beaches and stuff that walks around that's cool to look at and touch!
 
To be a little more serious, a lot of people have been killed with one punch. Whether the punch itself caused the death, or falling from being knocked out and not necessarily killed, but injured comes to play. Doesn't take much of a fall to make a person quadriplegic.
Who's to say the angry guy coming across the street isn't a trained fighter/martial arts/ whatever?

The situation totally determines the outcome in a court of law. If you throw your shirt off, puff out your chest, and then shoot the guy, I'm thinking jail time is going to be in your future.

If your walking down the street for some exercise, and said troll comes at you, and you try to defuse the situation with a little talk and reason, then have to shoot the guy, better have some witnesses, but It might go better for you.

Just My Opinion.
 
If will fears that his life is in eminent danger. He can do what is neccessary to protect himself or even a 3rd party.
Will must be able to prove that immediately or later if he goes to trial


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Witness or cameras to collaborate your story (what happened) would be beneficial. I would hope this guys history would also play into it as well as ones physical condition.

That stated hopefully said used toilet paper would have enough sense to back off once he was presented the option of getting shot.
 
For some reason I thought that the OK SDA said that Stand Your Ground doesn't apply if you verbally provoke the person who attacked you, but I can't find that in the text of the law.

dennishoddy said:
To be a little more serious, a lot of people have been killed with one punch. Whether the punch itself caused the death, or falling from being knocked out and not necessarily killed, but injured comes to play. Doesn't take much of a fall to make a person quadriplegic.
Who's to say the angry guy coming across the street isn't a trained fighter/martial arts/ whatever?
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Kind of. Permit me to Youtube Lawyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7sbHfBg92w#t=1410

If you can make the case that the guy is so much bigger/stronger/faster that it represents a huge disparity of force then it works I think.
 
Man up take/give an ass whoppin or learn to run very fast. Personally try talking him down if that don't work educate him in some grappling. I have learned over the years (in Oklahoma) if you don't leave a mark you can get away with a lot. Leave marks or hospital bills people get butt hurt and go after you. I have been looking at felony a&b and mameing. Luckily the judge justified my actions.
So I got harm with no foul. It's a precarious position that you put yourself in. Best thing would try not to put yourself in the position.
If you can get yourself and others out of harms way do so. Today's day and age even if the court sides in your favor people still try and come after you. It sucks but that is the reality of today
 
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