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Any one know what is going on with this? It appears to be just sitting in the house. I had heard that this was going to be a sure thing to move through the house --- but, it sure doesn't seem that way at this point.
Restaurant Carry Bill.??
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It's in the House Committee on Judiciary and needs two more readings. There are no slam dunks, and it may be time to start making phone calls.
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S 308 will be heard by the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday at 9:00.
I have a suspicion there will be a group who wants to pressure the committee to amend the bill and remove the curfew portion of the bill. What they won't be telling people is that if the bill gets amended, it goes back to the Senate. I don't have the rules in front of me, but sending an amendment back to the Senate on S 308 is likely to cause it to not progress any further... at least, in my opinion.
Do I like the silly curfew? No. I think it's a poor idea from anti-gun pin heads. However, S 308 has already made it through the Senate, where anti-gun forces tried hard to kill it. Sending it back for them to take another swing seems like a bad idea to me.
I'll be calling every member on the House Judiciary Committee and telling them to pass it to the House for a vote as-is.
I have a suspicion there will be a group who wants to pressure the committee to amend the bill and remove the curfew portion of the bill. What they won't be telling people is that if the bill gets amended, it goes back to the Senate. I don't have the rules in front of me, but sending an amendment back to the Senate on S 308 is likely to cause it to not progress any further... at least, in my opinion.
Do I like the silly curfew? No. I think it's a poor idea from anti-gun pin heads. However, S 308 has already made it through the Senate, where anti-gun forces tried hard to kill it. Sending it back for them to take another swing seems like a bad idea to me.
I'll be calling every member on the House Judiciary Committee and telling them to pass it to the House for a vote as-is.
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I agree.
I see no valid reason for the curfew portion, but I am also concerned that if we try to get that out or amend the bill in any way, we will lose the it for this session and start over next year.
We need to take a lesson from the anti-gun guys - small steps but keep plugging.
If we can't get everything we want right now, we need to take what we can get and keep going back for more.
If we get S308 passed as is, we will have an easier time getting the curfew lifted later than starting over with the bill now.
I see no valid reason for the curfew portion, but I am also concerned that if we try to get that out or amend the bill in any way, we will lose the it for this session and start over next year.
We need to take a lesson from the anti-gun guys - small steps but keep plugging.
If we can't get everything we want right now, we need to take what we can get and keep going back for more.
If we get S308 passed as is, we will have an easier time getting the curfew lifted later than starting over with the bill now.
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Correction: It will be heard by the General Laws Subcommittee.
?Hon. Derham Cole, Chairman??????
?Hon. Dan Hamilton
?Hon. Joe McEachern
?Hon. Derham Cole, Chairman??????
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Blog post with contact info -> http://www.scgunblog.com/Home_Page.php
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John Canuck said:
Thank you for that. I was unaware of such a thing, and I would have ignorantly been pressing for an amendment --- without knowing that such an amendment could mean the death of this bill altogether. I completely agree that, while the curfew is ridiculous, it's better than no restaurant carry at all. Let's just get this thing passed as-is, and worry about making the necessary tweaks down the road.
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They don't treat it like a new bill, but do have the option of accepting or refusing any changes.
I believe it works like this:
If the House makes any change to the bill, they send it back to the Senate. The Senate may agree with, or disagree with the change. I presume this will require a discussion and vote. If they accept the change, the bill moves forward. If they refuse the change, the House and Senate would need to appoint a commitee with a few members (3 from each I think) to negotiate an acceptable bill which would require another vote in each body. If they fail to reach an agreement on an acceptable bill, we get to wait until next year for another shot.
We all know how much time was wasted during the initial discussion of S 308 in the Senate. Like I said, I haven't combed over the rules in detail, but I know of nothing to prevent the same anti-gun Senators from discussing the same inane nonsense again. The clock is ticking and the session is over in two weeks.
As always, it's just my opinion, and I welcome comments from those that know more about SC politics than I do, but if the bill is changed in the House there will be no restaurant carry, before or after midnight until June 2014 at the earliest.
I could be wrong with all that, and hope I am. My fingers are crossed.
I believe it works like this:
If the House makes any change to the bill, they send it back to the Senate. The Senate may agree with, or disagree with the change. I presume this will require a discussion and vote. If they accept the change, the bill moves forward. If they refuse the change, the House and Senate would need to appoint a commitee with a few members (3 from each I think) to negotiate an acceptable bill which would require another vote in each body. If they fail to reach an agreement on an acceptable bill, we get to wait until next year for another shot.
We all know how much time was wasted during the initial discussion of S 308 in the Senate. Like I said, I haven't combed over the rules in detail, but I know of nothing to prevent the same anti-gun Senators from discussing the same inane nonsense again. The clock is ticking and the session is over in two weeks.
As always, it's just my opinion, and I welcome comments from those that know more about SC politics than I do, but if the bill is changed in the House there will be no restaurant carry, before or after midnight until June 2014 at the earliest.
I could be wrong with all that, and hope I am. My fingers are crossed.
gwmac
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My understanding now is that S308 has been amended to remove the 'curfew', approved by the sub committee and now moves to the House Judiciary Comm.
bilall
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My prediction: nothing will happen this year.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Rumor is wrong. It passed in the Senate. It's crossed over and hasn't even made it out of Committee. All that has happened is that a sub-committee has removed some language. This just makes it more difficult to navigate more steps in the time remaining. I'm not optimistic.
As I suspected though, I got an email today from a group that shall remain nameless. They are already taking a victory lap in the name of gun rights and liberty, and an opportunity to ask for money :roll: , before lamenting that the bill now has a much more lengthy path to becoming an act. Thanks a lot.
They made some other changes in addition to the curfew, if anyone is interested --> http://www.scgunblog.com/Home_Page.php
As I suspected though, I got an email today from a group that shall remain nameless. They are already taking a victory lap in the name of gun rights and liberty, and an opportunity to ask for money :roll: , before lamenting that the bill now has a much more lengthy path to becoming an act. Thanks a lot.
They made some other changes in addition to the curfew, if anyone is interested --> http://www.scgunblog.com/Home_Page.php
bilall
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From NRA-ILA:
Senate Bill 308, a restaurant carry bill, has been scheduled to be heard in the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, May 28, at 2:30 PM or one-and-a-half hours after the state House of Representatives adjourns for the day.
Senate Bill 308, a restaurant carry bill, has been scheduled to be heard in the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, May 28, at 2:30 PM or one-and-a-half hours after the state House of Representatives adjourns for the day.
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Rumored to have passed out of committee: http://www.scgunblog.com/Home_Page.php
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Confirmed by a story in The State newspaper today
http://www.thestate.com/2013/05/28/2790 ... -bars.html
http://www.thestate.com/2013/05/28/2790 ... -bars.html
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Here is the update:
Yesterday, a critical self-defense bill, Senate Bill 308, passed in the House Judiciary Committee. S. 308, introduced by state Senator Sean Bennett (R-38), would remove the prohibition on a Concealed Weapon Permit (CWP) holder carrying a concealed firearm into a restaurant licensed to serve alcohol. Under S. 308, a CWP holder would still be prohibited from consuming alcohol while in the restaurant if he or she is carrying a concealed firearm for personal protection.
S. 308 is now eligible for consideration on the House floor. With only a couple of weeks left in the 2013 legislative session, it is critical you contact your state Representative NOW and urge him or her to take up this important restaurant carry bill. Click here for help identifying your state Representative.
CONTACT YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE NOW AND ASK THEM TO SUPPORT S.308..
Use this link to find our who your Rep is: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/member.php? ... =H&order=D
Then use this one to get their email: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/email.php?chamber=B
-Mike
Yesterday, a critical self-defense bill, Senate Bill 308, passed in the House Judiciary Committee. S. 308, introduced by state Senator Sean Bennett (R-38), would remove the prohibition on a Concealed Weapon Permit (CWP) holder carrying a concealed firearm into a restaurant licensed to serve alcohol. Under S. 308, a CWP holder would still be prohibited from consuming alcohol while in the restaurant if he or she is carrying a concealed firearm for personal protection.
S. 308 is now eligible for consideration on the House floor. With only a couple of weeks left in the 2013 legislative session, it is critical you contact your state Representative NOW and urge him or her to take up this important restaurant carry bill. Click here for help identifying your state Representative.
CONTACT YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE NOW AND ASK THEM TO SUPPORT S.308..
Use this link to find our who your Rep is: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/member.php? ... =H&order=D
Then use this one to get their email: http://www.scstatehouse.gov/email.php?chamber=B
-Mike
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Done.
