Wildcat
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Haha! I like it.
It's obvious you're in over your head and are allowing your emotions dictate your responses. You should devote more energy to researching this subject if you're wanting to discuss it. Your ego won't let you admit you were wrong just as Mike cannot admit he was wrong. The original poster asked if he could have his .220 Swift re-chambered to 6.5-06, aka .256 Newton. The answer is, YES, he can. The re-chambering process will involve a re-bore along with re-cutting the chamber. That's it. The shop conducting the re-bore will have to determine if the barrel is suitable for that operation.Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:I have but one question for you, since you seem to be such a smart person or at least from the way your post are written can you tell me which on of these operations have you completed on your own? have you re chambered a rifle? ever thread, chamber, crown a new barrel blank? ever pulled a button down a barrel to cut new rifling? ever took a gun drill, drilled out a .224 dia to .256 dia then either broached or buttoned new rifling? if not then your in way above your head here, we do the work we don't read about it. You would drill out the .224 dia. to .256 dia. then cut the rifling to get your .264 dia. hint.
I do research but then I go and DO, can you state the same? and as far as a re barrel costing $600 pass the word on to whomever is doing that work they are way to proud of the work they are doing! I've done many barrels and even the $375 Krieger barrel blanks that's a pretty high mark up for the work that's done! even hitting .0000" run out and getting .002" headspace didn't take 2 hours but I guess if you have gun drilling machines and the ground cutters ya gotta pay for the stuff some how.
Were all pretty decent folks here, I'm just simple redneck oilfield trash and ol' Mike well he might know a thing or two about guns. Besides reading this information what have you actually done as far as work with the stated subject of the thread at hand? (HINT: it said re chamber then a few post down it changed to re barrel) I don't know who you are as your new here but I know most everyone else so until you can post up some accomplishments don't take offense if I just think you are some armchair gunsmith. Later,
Kirk
Your logic continues to be that if you haven't performed a certain task or are somewhat unfamiliar with an operation, then it can't be done. Or you're mimicking what someone else has stated in blatant sycophantic fashion. That only reflects a lack of experience, which is why you keep trying to change the subject and making petty insults. Please do some research and stay on topic.Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:I ask you what work have you done with gunsmithing?
No ego, just would like to know something about the person I'm dealing with here, as for knowledge of the subject doubt I need to let Dan explain it to me or you for that fact. Now you speak rather well or type rather well so could you please let us all know to what experiences you have had or contributed to so we will know if we should believe that you have a clue or if your just a person with a wonderful memory who reads a lot.
Please answer the question above. Later,
Just please let us know how re chambering translates to re boring? re chamber involves a chamber reamer and possible throating reamer, re bore requires a gun drilling machine along with either a machine to cut the rifling and or button rifle. I believe it is you who is confused as you keep going back to re boring when that operation has nothing to do with re chamber which is what this thread was about.
And the big words may make you feel better about yourself but just say confused, some folks on here ain't smart as I'sLater,
Kirk
Sooooo.... you don't know what you're talking about then?Lester Long said:Your logic continues to be that if you haven't performed a certain task or are somewhat unfamiliar with an operation, then it can't be done. Or you're mimicking what someone else has stated in blatant sycophantic fashion. That only reflects a lack of experience, which is why you keep trying to change the subject and making petty insults. Please do some research and stay on topic.
The subject was whether the original poster could have his rifle re-chambered from .220 Swift to 6.5-06. You keep trying to change the subject since you're not familiar with re-boring a rifle. If you don't know, just state you don't know.Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:Subject: Re chamber 220 Swift
Does it say anything about a re bore? simple yes or no answer would suffice.
Logic says if you've not done it more than likely you'll screw it up! I read about brain surgery even grew up around the medical profession but I'm not going to perform said task.
The question still stands what have you done with gunsmithing? answer that question as I know there are many here who would love to know. As far as research I know how to perform the task and have performed the task. Drop the better than thou comments and try proving yourself to this community..... that would be rather refreshing of you. Later,
Kirk
It's freakin' awesome when educated peoples such as yourself learn new words from the internetAustin T said:I learned some new big words in this thread. Nice.
Yawn.Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:Lester dude really? here I'll throw you a bone, re bore, first off you remove the barrel from the receiver, normally with a barrel wrench and receiver block and 9 times of ten some sort of heat source as the company who assembled the firearm has lawyers that state the barrel must be torqued by a gorilla so it doesn't come off. Now we go to the lathe, use a 4 jaw so that you can get the run out of the bore running less than .0005" which is about 3 times better than a factory tube, set the spider in the thru stock so that you have support and can dial in the correct bore run out for the complete barrel (steady rests suck for this process) now get the correct dia. of gun drill, these are the cool long skinny two flute things just in case with coolant holes in the ends to wash away chips. The couple I've done I spun the barrel and used the tailstock to feed the drill, take your time as it's a messy job with all the coolant and long floppy drill or you'll go off center and ruin the barrel (easier to just buy a new blank!) after you have completed the drilling it's time to polish the bore which is another real PIA! I have never cut threads but have used button rifling and it's like broaching with a machine that you set the twist and the machine pulls the buttons of different sizes until you get to said bore size.
Re chamber, all of the above as to getting the barrel in the lathe true then run the reamer into the barrel with copious amounts of cutting fluid, when you have reached the correct depth of headspace (normally .001 for target rifles and up to .004 for hunting rifles as they are treated a touch more harsh) you will go back and polish the chamber, I like to hit about 8-16 RMS (surface finish) and I always run an 11 deg target crown! it's just quicker and seem to work the best. As far as torqueing the barrel, I find that 6-10 ft lb is more than enough as long as you match the threads to the receiver. I use McGowan barrel blanks and Manson reamers only! Manson can grind the reamers to perfection to any spec I would ask for and the McGowan blanks are as accurate as the Krieger blanks I have used in the past for close to half the cost.
So please share with us what gunsmithing you have accomplished in your days please sir. Later,
Kirk