Plum Crazy Lowers Illegal?!?!

[jtischauser]

I bet half of members of OSA is shitting bricks right now.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/30/plumcrazy-polymer-lowers-illegal-letter-batfe/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2014-04-01&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

 

[bullittmcqueen]

That's very interesting. Wonder if "New Frontier" is going to have the same problem. This just further justifies my dislike of polymer lowers... :triniti:

 

[Robusto]

I bet half of members of OSA is shitting bricks right now.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/30/plumcrazy-polymer-lowers-illegal-letter-batfe/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2014-04-01&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

Oh that is just crazy! Plum Crazy.

 

[LuckyDucky]

They are not illegal.

It is not illegal to possess a firearm with an improperly attached serial number.

It is not illegal to possess a firearm that never had a serial number.

It's even not illegal to SELL a firearm that never had a serial number that you made yourself (for example, a completed 80% lower).

But it is illegal to possess a firearm that has had the serial number removed, obliterated, or altered. (18 usc 922(k))

 

[jtischauser]

They are not illegal.

It is not illegal to possess a firearm with an improperly attached serial number.

It is not illegal to possess a firearm that never had a serial number.

It's even not illegal to SELL a firearm that never had a serial number that you made yourself (for example, a completed 80% lower).

But it is illegal to possess a firearm that has had the serial number removed, obliterated, or altered. (18 usc 922(k))

So you're suggesting the ATF letter is wrong?

 

[LuckyDucky]

So you're suggesting the ATF letter is wrong?

No, the ATF letter says that the method used to attached the serials to the lowers was not good enough (AKA illegal).

But that doesn't make it illegal to possess the lowers.

ETA: I'm suggesting Steve from TFB wildly over-exaggerated when he said the lowers were illegal.

 

[Matt1911]

"Metal serial numbers plates attached to polymer firearms must be embedded in such a way that removing them will significantly damage or destroy the firearm. In the BATFE letter, dated June 18 2013, Firearms Technology Branch technicians were able to remove the PlumCrazy serial number using just a hammer and a screwdriver in just one minute and without doing any damage to the receiver. The letter says …"

I'm pretty damn sure I could do the same thing to a Glock and still have it 100% functional.

 

[LuckyDucky]

"Metal serial numbers plates attached to polymer firearms must be embedded in such a way that removing them will significantly damage or destroy the firearm. In the BATFE letter, dated June 18 2013, Firearms Technology Branch technicians were able to remove the PlumCrazy serial number using just a hammer and a screwdriver in just one minute and without doing any damage to the receiver. The letter says …"

I'm pretty damn sure I could do the same thing to a Glock and still have it 100% functional.

And yet, the ATF has not confiscated all Gen 3 glocks and older that have the old style serial # attachment.

But Glock changed their serial # attachment method to make it a little more secure to comply with the law.

 

[dennishoddy]

I guess I don't understand the BATF's thinking in saying the lowers are illegal when removing the serial number from an aluminum lower won't meet the criteria of destroying the firearm. With a little sanding, blending and shallow stamping it would be easy to change SN's on a metal lower that would not be obvious with a casual glance.

 

[Corey]

And yet, the ATF has not confiscated all Gen 3 glocks and older that have the old style serial # attachment.

But Glock changed their serial # attachment method to make it a little more secure to comply with the law.

Duh the serial number is still on the barrel lol

 

[LuckyDucky]

I guess I don't understand the BATF's thinking in saying the lowers are illegal when removing the serial number from an aluminum lower won't meet the criteria of destroying the firearm. With a little sanding, blending and shallow stamping it would be easy to change SN's on a metal lower that would not be obvious with a casual glance.

They are not saying the lower is illegal.

They are saying the method of attaching, engraving, stamping, etc the serial into the receiver is illegal.

They are saying that a serial must be attached securely enough that removing it would cause significant damage to the gun.

Duh the serial number is still on the barrel lol

You can get glock barrels without serials.

And the lower is the part that requires the serial # anyways so the rest of the parts don't really matter.

 

[Corey]

You can get glock barrels without serials.

And the lower is the part that requires the serial # anyways so the rest of the parts don't really matter.

I agree I had a friend buy a Glock, barrel was from one model the lower another. Since then I make sure #s match before shelling out $

 

[dennishoddy]

They are not saying the lower is illegal.

They are saying the method of attaching, engraving, stamping, etc the serial into the receiver is illegal.

They are saying that a serial must be attached securely enough that removing it would cause significant damage to the gun.


You can get glock barrels without serials.

And the lower is the part that requires the serial # anyways so the rest of the parts don't really matter.

I get what your saying, What I'm saying is I can remove and re-attach a serial number on a metal gun easily.

The clue is re-attach.
Given about 10 minutes of thought, I could make the metal plate they are talking about legal on the polymer guns, yet make them still operable.

 

[Wormydog1724]

I thought it is illegal to make an ar15 lower out of an 80% lower and sell it. I though that was the stipulation of the 80% lowers, there's no serial number but you're never to sell it. Now how they're going to know is another question, just like how would they know when someone puts a short upper on a non-sbr lower.

Tisk tisk.